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Re:Silicon Valley: Perks for Some Workers, Struggles for Par... by rayiner on Tuesday April 07, 2015 @03:31PM (#9336527)
The irony of appealing to immigration to justify child-hostile policies is that all those immigrants (me included) think westerners are crazy for being so child-hostile. Hispanics in the U.S. have a fertility rate of 3.
Re:Silicon Valley: Perks for Some Workers, Struggles for Par... by dragonwriter on Tuesday April 07, 2015 @07:11PM (#9337781)
> all those immigrants (me included) think westerners are crazy for being so child-hostile.

Westerners in general isn't child-hostile, even if US labor practices are, and many of those immigrants -- including the Hispanic ones -- are Westerners themselves.

Re:Silicon Valley: Perks for Some Workers, Struggles for Par... by afutd on Tuesday April 07, 2015 @03:41PM (#9336607)
If they do all think we westerners are crazy (and I'm certainly not going to take your word for it), that isn't enough of a downside to leave us with a shortage of potential immigrants. Your argument about freeloaders is just plain wrong.

What we have going here is attractive enough that we have people lining up out the door. We don't desperately need you to do us a favor and bless society with your children, despite the fact that every parent seems to think we do.

Re:Silicon Valley: Perks for Some Workers, Struggles for Par... by rayiner on Tuesday April 07, 2015 @03:57PM (#9336713)
You're free-loading either way. You're just arguing about free-loading off parents in India versus the U.S.
Re:Silicon Valley: Perks for Some Workers, Struggles for Par... by afutd on Tuesday April 07, 2015 @04:14PM (#9336847)
It's not freeloading. It's a voluntary trade for value.

In any event, your logic is flawed. A person can easily be a net contributor over a lifetime without having children. And someone who has children, can easily be a net drain even after attributing some of the costs/contributions of the children (which may well also be negative).