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Re:ESR: Ego is for little people by jgrahamc on Tuesday November 10, 2009 @08:31AM (#932942)
I didn't post this because of a vendetta. I thought he had some good points about A-listers and it was interesting for HNers.

Clearly, I don't agree with his self-assessment as an A-lister, but the article has some interesting points. But that's partly because my evaluation of him is that he's not, and partly because I don't think self-assessment really counts.

Re:ESR: Ego is for little people by wheels on Tuesday November 10, 2009 @09:33AM (#933067)
This is the frustrating thing with ESR: occasionally he has good points.

The problem is that they are often buried in narcissism, just like this essay, which is ironically claiming that he is not afflicted by such.

Basically it's the same thing that rubs me the wrong way with Timothy Ferriss -- sometimes there's useful stuff in there. His version, however, seems more playfully mischievous; he seems to be in on the joke.

Re:ESR: Ego is for little people by jacquesm on Tuesday November 10, 2009 @08:55AM (#932983)
After yesterdays post on that silly bit of python code (if it worked, that was good enough for me), and this piece today (which makes ESR look pretty weird) I hope you'll forgive me if I thought that you were focusing on him way too much.

I've looked at a whole bunch of code you wrote and without exception it is exemplary, that's the way to do it, lead by example, not by going after an individual, no matter how silly they are.

By singling out this one person I'm thinking that he got under your skin with his stupid remarks and this (hoisting him by his own petard) is your way of paying him back.

As far as I'm concerned it doesn't matter one bit what the guy wrote or how crappy his software is, there is no need for you to show him, the code speaks for you.

The piece indeed has some good points about A-listers, but for the most part it comes across to me as being written by someone who needs help of some sort.

Re:ESR: Ego is for little people by jgrahamc on Tuesday November 10, 2009 @09:06AM (#933002)
Normally, I wouldn't post things from ESR's blog and that's because I don't read it. I don't read it because it's mostly non-technical (he usually covers political or philosophical topics that don't interest me).

Because the ForgePlucker got posted to HN I learned of it and hence the last couple of days interactions. The resulted in me reading his blog a bit and hence this posting.

I've looked at a whole bunch of code you wrote and without exception it is exemplary, that's the way to do it, lead by example, not by going after an individual, no matter how silly they are.

You haven't looked hard enough :-) I'm sure there's quite a bit of stuff I'd be ashamed of today.

Re:ESR: Ego is for little people by algorias on Tuesday November 10, 2009 @11:02AM (#933267)
> You haven't looked hard enough :-) I'm sure there's quite a bit of stuff I'd be ashamed of today.

Self-awareness is key to improving. If you're not ashamed of at least a fraction of your code, you're deluded.

Invariably the most talented people are those painfully aware of their own flaws and shortcomings.

Re:ESR: Ego is for little people by billswift on Wednesday November 11, 2009 @10:14AM (#935376)
Do the best you can at the time you do the work and there is no reason to be ashamed later. I have done lots of things I would do differently today, but the only alternative is to not keep learning.
Re:ESR: Ego is for little people by csbrooks on Tuesday November 10, 2009 @10:32AM (#933180)
It's my experience that most decent programmers, and even some crummy ones, think they are in the top 1%. It's a lot like poker - everyone thinks they're way above average at it.
Re:ESR: Ego is for little people by billswift on Tuesday November 10, 2009 @01:21PM (#933594)
I saw a study a few months ago on that, I think it was linked on Overcoming Bias,but I'm not sure. Apparently, most people rate themselves in the 3rd quartile; everyone under average thinks they are somewhat above, and people in the upper quartile generally over-estimate the average, thinking most are more like themselves, so only those who are actually in the third percentile are (accidentally) accurate in their self-assessments.
Re:ESR: Ego is for little people by algorias on Tuesday November 10, 2009 @10:58AM (#933257)
It's a lot like everything. I haven't found any skill or talent where that isn't true.

Keeping this in mind is the first step towards a reasonable self-assessment.