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Re:GitHub under ongoing DDoS attack by belorn on Sunday March 29, 2015 @09:11AM (#9284685)
China will be kicked from the internet at about the same time US and their NSA will be kicked.

Which is quite unlikely. We don't kick out USA because NSA breaks into backbone routers, steal encryption codes from sim cards, and steal traffic from google search, Gmail and Facebook. China attacks github, and the reaction will be likely the same.

At some point, it is going to make a economical sense to issue a treaty against this kind of behaviors. A treaty that forbids attacking fellow nations infrastructure and businesses over the Internet will benefit everyone, and it is going to take a long time before it is commonly understood.

Re:GitHub under ongoing DDoS attack by slowmovintarget on Sunday March 29, 2015 @10:03AM (#9284842)
If the PRC were merely snooping, and not actively attacking, that equivalence would work.

I was also under the impression that this is already in violation of treaty, the only saving grace for the PRC being that it hasn't been proven it's them.

Re:GitHub under ongoing DDoS attack by belorn on Sunday March 29, 2015 @11:31AM (#9285146)
I'm sorry, snooping?

Remotely transmitted malware.

Hardware caught in transit and infected by malware.

Firmware infected with malware at factories.

Bricked backbone routers, causing widespread outage during civil war.

Hacked phone companies.

Stuxnet, a computer worm designed to sabotage industrial centrifuges.

A $6 billion trade contract being manipulated in favor of Boeing.

A $1.3 billion contract trade contract being manipulated in favor of American defense contractor Raytheon.

Weakening products and standards that Internet users.

Should I continue? The list goes on and on and on as more leaks are reported on. Using that definition of snooping, we can just call PRC action snooping too.

Re:GitHub under ongoing DDoS attack by slowmovintarget on Sunday March 29, 2015 @07:33PM (#9286917)
> Remotely transmitted malware.

For data acquisition (snooping).

> Hardware caught in transit and infected by malware.

For... hmm... backdoors to data? (Laptops with Stuxnet covered below)

> Firmware infected with malware at factories.

For, yes, transmission snooping. The PRC has also altered routers and other computerized electronics, including those intended for use by militaries in various Western countries.

> Bricked backbone routers, causing widespread outage during civil war.

Yes, by accident [1] while attempting to surveil (snoop). Not sure if disabling Syria's internet is worse or better than China's DNS poisoning which affected everyone... by accident.

> Hacked phone companies.

For what purpose, I wonder?

> Stuxnet, a computer worm designed to sabotage industrial centrifuges.

A. Not done over the internet, done by sneakernet. B. Nuclear reactor facilities in Iran are really not the same as GitHub.

> A $6 billion trade contract being manipulated in favor of Boeing.

That's nefarious, I'll agree... except, the NSA just blew the whistle on Airbus who was bribing Saudi officials. The information was indeed gained from--wait for it--snooping. [2]

> ...Raytheon

Same deal there... The CIA was the whistle blower against the French competition. [3]

> Weakening products and standards that Internet users.[sic]

LOL.

Of the two actions you do cite that aren't surveillance, one has nothing to do with the internet and the other was for the purpose of surveillance. So no, the U.S. government's surveillance program is not the same as the PRC performing a DDoS attack on Github.

  [1] http://gizmodo.com/snowden-the-nsa-turned-off-syrias-internet-1621068611
  [2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/820758.stm
  [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#cite_note-60
Re:GitHub under ongoing DDoS attack by belorn on Monday March 30, 2015 @02:22AM (#9287941)
>>> For... hmm... backdoors to data?

Backdoors has a lovely side effect, in that they are backdoors. They can be used to take control over devices, as in. That they can also be used for data transfer is a side effect of the active attack called "implanting an backdoor".

But okey, if all those are just snooping and not active attacks, let just assume that PRC gained the information to attack github by snooping. DONE. It is now just snooping as per your definition.

> A DDOS attack on github.

>> except, the PRC just used information, information which was indeed gained from--wait for it--snooping!

In computer security, we have terms to distinguish this. Its called passive and active attacks. PRC and NSA both perform active attacks on other nations infrastructure, businesses, governments and military. The purpose: To gain political, economic and military benefits.

Re:GitHub under ongoing DDoS attack by gbog on Sunday March 29, 2015 @11:40AM (#9285193)
Well if it isn't proven it's them, just let's not assume guilty, right?
Re:GitHub under ongoing DDoS attack by slowmovintarget on Sunday March 29, 2015 @05:37PM (#9286582)
I think it's reasonable to say the PRC is doing it. I believe the PRC is doing it. That doesn't mean it can be legally shown that the PRC is doing it.