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Re:Suburban sprawl is stifling the US economy by CamperBob2 on Sunday March 29, 2015 @12:31AM (#9283880)
People who can afford to do so usually avoid public transportation. Instead of posting a new edition of the same self-righteous HN thread bewailing other peoples' choices practically every single day of the week, it might be interesting to examine the apparent dissonance between the way amateur urban planners think things should work, and the way they actually do.
Re:Suburban sprawl is stifling the US economy by philwelch on Sunday March 29, 2015 @12:37AM (#9283896)
That's a product of urban design, not a cause or a premise. Rich New York bankers don't drive cars.
Re:Suburban sprawl is stifling the US economy by learc83 on Sunday March 29, 2015 @01:07AM (#9283957)
>Rich New York bankers don't drive cars.

But do they take public transportation? Or do they use a car service?

They're paying to avoid public transportation exactly like the OP said.

Re:Suburban sprawl is stifling the US economy by saryant on Sunday March 29, 2015 @01:56AM (#9284046)
Yes?

John Paulson, architect of the largest trade in Wall Street history, takes public transit to work every day.

Re:Suburban sprawl is stifling the US economy by CamperBob2 on Sunday March 29, 2015 @02:55AM (#9284114)
"Anecdote" is not the singular of "data."
Re:Suburban sprawl is stifling the US economy by acveilleux on Sunday March 29, 2015 @01:14AM (#9283976)
I take transit to work. I make a good living. I could chose to drive but where I live (Montreal) has good public transit. It takes me 20-25 minutes to get to work by subway (door to door.)

Mostly it's that I work downtown and chose to buy my condo in a neighbourhood with good transit. As a result, driving would "save" me 5 to 10 minutes but require 300$/month parking spot to actually save any time.

If I worked out in an industrial park (where my employer also has an office) driving would be a no-brainer however. Parking out there is free and transit is annoying (bus every 15-30 minutes during rush hour only, multiple connections.) At that office, from my house driving saves 10-15 minutes of commute during rush hour and 15-45 minutes outside of it. In extreme cases (our support staff working the graveyard shift) driving saves 2+ hours or a very expensive taxi ride.

Re:Suburban sprawl is stifling the US economy by pyre on Sunday March 29, 2015 @01:17PM (#9285602)
> People who can afford to do so usually avoid public transportation.

There are a number of factors at play here. To pretend that just because people act a certain way that the decision is based in fact and logic ignores reality.

People don't use public transit because:

1. They don't want to mingle with the "lower classes."

2. Driving a car for a long time was a status symbol. It's less of a status symbol today, but the effects of this are still embedded in American culture. Those "with money" can afford a car. If you take transit, then you are "poor."

So if you take transit you are signalling to others that you are "poor." Or you are afraid that you might have to sit across from someone that is "poor" and that would make you feel uncomfortable.

3. Buying a car for a long time was also "supporting America" (cue people chanting 'USA! USA!') because you were supporting the Big 3.

4. People get annoyed at having to wait for things like the bus. Even of the bus runs every 10 minutes, the fact that you might have to wait 10 minutes for something is enough for people to get upset about it.

Re:Suburban sprawl is stifling the US economy by CamperBob2 on Sunday March 29, 2015 @05:19PM (#9286526)
There are a number of factors at play here. To pretend that just because people act a certain way that the decision is based in fact and logic ignores reality.

Which is my whole point: we should find out what the actual basis for their decision is, and take it into consideration.

But it's much more fun to adopt an air of superiority on HN as you settle into your comfy seat on the bus to the Facebook campus, where your worst immediate problem is that your attractive and personable seatmate has spilled a bit of his latte on your armrest. This is not most peoples' lives, but you'd never know it from reading all of the "B... b... but SF!" comments in these threads.

Re:Suburban sprawl is stifling the US economy by erispoe on Sunday March 29, 2015 @12:50AM (#9283927)
Yeah, tech workers in SF making 150-300k certainly "can't afford to drive" I am sure.
Re:Suburban sprawl is stifling the US economy by CamperBob2 on Sunday March 29, 2015 @03:44AM (#9284173)
I hate to be the one to break this to you, but SF isn't the only city in the US.
Re:Suburban sprawl is stifling the US economy by TheCoelacanth on Sunday March 29, 2015 @12:13PM (#9285348)
It's one of the few with passable public transportation, and the in the others with passable public transportation (e.g. NYC, DC, Boston), many people who could afford to drive take public transportation.
Re:Suburban sprawl is stifling the US economy by CamperBob2 on Sunday March 29, 2015 @05:00PM (#9286453)
... usually because they have no choice in the matter.

This particular story is about surburban sprawl, which means that anything happening in SF, NYC, DC, or Boston is completely irrelevant.