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Re:Slack was hacked by baby on Friday March 27, 2015 @02:08PM (#9278028)
so the downsides are "it's not maintanable" and "don't roll your own crypto". I think they are negligible compared to the upsides.
Re:Slack was hacked by mirashii on Friday March 27, 2015 @02:16PM (#9278091)
Not at all. "don't roll your own crypto" is a downside that can lead to things completely falling apart or weakening the system overall.

The real downside is that there's a better, proven way to do the same effective thing, which is make a database-only compromise require additional work, without rolling your own crypto. It also supports doing things retroactively for real (not some of the hacks being discussed in this thread) and key-rotation. All the upsides, with none of the downsides.

Re:Slack was hacked by urda on Friday March 27, 2015 @02:32PM (#9278200)
> "don't roll your own crypto". I think they are negligible

Please do not ever consider "rolling your own crypto" a walk in the park. Unless you have a serious security background and some actual cryptography education and research never, never, NEVER do this. It is not negligible, and it is not safe.

Re:Slack was hacked by MarkyC4 on Friday March 27, 2015 @02:18PM (#9278105)
The fact that the pepper can't be changed/rotated far outweighs any upsides
Re:Slack was hacked by cpeterso on Friday March 27, 2015 @02:57PM (#9278349)
You can change your pepper by double-peppering your existing password database:

  scrypt(scrypt(scrypt(scrypt(password, salt), pepper2013), pepper2014), pepper2015)
https://blog.filippo.io/salt-and-pepper/
Re:Slack was hacked by flurdy on Friday March 27, 2015 @07:00PM (#9279612)
Sounds like a maintenance nightmare. Need to ensure you keep your tongue straight when partitioning or restoring databases, migrating/splitting to new apps etc.
Re:Slack was hacked by aturek on Friday March 27, 2015 @02:43PM (#9278263)
You consider "not maintainable" to be an acceptable downside to _anything_ you're doing with your software? What?
Re:Slack was hacked by MarkMc on Friday March 27, 2015 @10:32PM (#9280246)
I wouldn't say negligible, but rather not slam-dunk convincing