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Re:Australia outlaws warrant canaries by e40 on Friday March 27, 2015 @11:57AM (#9277034)
And why do citizens not care?

This is the real mystery. I can't count the number of times I've had conversations with smart people that just don't seem to care. After the PATRIOT ACT was passed I was livid and knew it would be used for non-terrorism things. As we know now, it's mostly used for non-terrorism. People would look at me like I had some tin foil on my head. It couldn't even get people to talk about it. (Lest readers think I'm sort of conversational pariah, I don't recall any other subject that causes this effect.)

Re:Australia outlaws warrant canaries by cpt1138 on Friday March 27, 2015 @12:54PM (#9277450)
What does "care" mean in your mind? You say were you livid and you expressed your lividity by talking to people? I think a lot of people "care" they are just not given anything actionable to do. Expressing impotent rage on FB is not really helping AFAICT.
Re:Australia outlaws warrant canaries by e40 on Friday March 27, 2015 @02:34PM (#9278213)
Expressing impotent rage on FB is not really helping AFAICT.

Very nice straw man. I didn't mention FB. And these were conversations in person.

Re:Australia outlaws warrant canaries by throwaway0u43 on Friday March 27, 2015 @04:48PM (#9278895)
And yet, all you did is talk. That is the parent's point. You talked. Maybe you voted for the other puppet of the elites that is ideologically 0.3% different from the current puppet. Maybe you convinced your interlocutors to do the same.

But participation in the farce of modern democracy is exactly what you're intended to do. You somehow feel like your talking or voting matters. It doesn't.

I'm no different, of course. Our lives are too comfortable. There is only one form of political action that ever works to depose despots, and it's a form that's not worth interrupting our comfortable lives to engage in.

At the end of the day, you need to either take real action, or accept that you're too comfortable with your affluent life to risk losing your comforts, and enjoy these comforts without complaint. You've chosen this path, as have I, as have we all.

Life is too good to meaningfully rock the boat.

Re:Australia outlaws warrant canaries by e3xu on Friday March 27, 2015 @02:39PM (#9278241)
I think a lot of it is a kind of learned desensitization. The constant bombardment of advertising from a young age, and 24-hour news cycles conditions a natural response of cynicism and numbness to certain kinds of alarming messages. Our brains are already saturated with the kind of "buy this and you'll be happy" and "the world is scary and falling apart" messages that we develop categorical methods of dealing with all messages of that form. It is a painful act to care about something and be let down later, and it is painful to care about things that you feel like you can't do anything about. Add in a generally accepted (if thinly veiled) terrorism narrative and a socially acceptable practice of "let's not talk about politics" and you get the kind of response you've been getting.
Re:Australia outlaws warrant canaries by Silhouette on Friday March 27, 2015 @02:23PM (#9278138)
Is it really much of a mystery at all?

A lot of issues are met with the mindset of "It would never happen to me". Terrorists blowing something up make the front pages, so people think it might happen to them (even though the odds of it are tiny). Slow erosions of civil liberties usually do not make the front pages, so people don't pay much attention and assume that only bad people are going to be arrested, denied due process, shot, or otherwise the victim of a resulting injustice.

A lot of issues related to freedoms and civil rights also take second place to much more immediate practical concerns, particularly in an economic downturn, like whether your kid has a good school to go to, or whether your parent gets looked after properly at hospital. The old "It's the economy, stupid" line is as true in politics today as it ever was.

To be fair, it is also true in the West today that just as the risk of being a victim of terrorism is low, so the risk of being a victim of government abuse or incompetence in applying these anti-terrorism measures is also low. A rational and objective citizen looking at the practical reality right now might consider that neither issue is that significant and there really are much more important things to worry about.

The strongest arguments for promoting civil liberties and reducing government powers are generally those of equality (just because something bad is unlikely to happen to you, it doesn't mean it's unlikely to happen to someone equally innocent but in a less fortunate position) and long term risk (just because today's governments and security services and police forces don't routinely abuse these capabilities and legal powers on a wide scale, that does not mean tomorrow's won't, and history shows that the risk of such abuse is real and the consequences can be catastrophic).

Re:Australia outlaws warrant canaries by fit2rule on Friday March 27, 2015 @12:30PM (#9277282)
It should be no mystery: people don't want to change their lifestyle, which is going to be needed to address this issue.