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Re:UMG claims rights to a song and hijacks the artist's YouT... by Someone1234 on Tuesday March 17, 2015 @11:49AM (#9218745)
Yeah, and fair use doesn't exist on YT for all intents and purposes. Effectively ContentID is actually much more restrictive than real copyright law by far, and there's nothing anyone can do about it because YT is a private company and you don't HAVE to use them (although the lack of competition is disheartening).

It is an unfortunate situation all around, one that I don't see changing any time soon... Only legitimate competition could fix this.

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Re:UMG claims rights to a song and hijacks the artist's YouT... by pkehah on Tuesday March 17, 2015 @12:49PM (#9219260)
That's an extraordinarily disingenuous description of the status quo.

MegaUpload was explicitly meant to host pirated content, and Kim Dotcom (a convicted felon) explicitly arranged for it to be seeded with pirated content. It was possible to use it for other things, but that's not why it existed.

I get that the popular narrative is that he's supposed to be a victim, but let's be honest about it: he didn't "fail to be restrictive enough", he actively aided, abetted, and encouraged copyright violations.

Using Mega as an example of a victim only makes you look like a kook, a liar, or a moron to the people who actually need to be influenced.

Re:UMG claims rights to a song and hijacks the artist's YouT... by nemothekid on Tuesday March 17, 2015 @01:13PM (#9219475)
That's an extraordinarily disingenuous description of the status quo.

Then are we going to pretend that the Music Industry didn't try to sue YouTube out of existence and possibly only survived thanks to Google's deep wallets?

If you need deep corporate wallets to protect yourself to create a service like YouTube its not hard to see how a system like ContentID might come about to protect yourself from lawyers. Mountains of "pirate" evidence or not, protecting yourself from Hollywood's lawyers is expensive.

Re:UMG claims rights to a song and hijacks the artist's YouT... by pkehah on Tuesday March 17, 2015 @01:18PM (#9219529)
Civil lawsuits != prosecution.

Different problem than the one that the coward who deleted his posts was talking about. Sadly, we lost context because he hit delete after realizing that he was wrong.

That said, YouTube survived those lawsuits and continues to exist because of laws that the music industry itself lobbied for... they just hadn't considered all of the ramifications terribly deeply.

There are lots of companies that don't have Google's deep pockets that survive because of the DMCA. So while it's true that YouTube was sued, and that Google defended it, it's absolutely NOT true that the only way for a content company to survive is to have Google's access to capital.

Re:UMG claims rights to a song and hijacks the artist's YouT... by dragonwriter on Tuesday March 17, 2015 @01:45PM (#9219765)
> Civil lawsuits != prosecution.

Yes, the act of initiating legal action is prosecution, whether the action is civil or criminal. We don't call the people doing that act "the prosecution" in a civil case, but the act itself is still prosecution.

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Re:UMG claims rights to a song and hijacks the artist's YouT... by pkehah on Tuesday March 17, 2015 @01:10PM (#9219449)
There's less than zero value in bringing Megaupload into the discussion at all. They're not some 'content hosting site' that was 'aggressively prosecuted'. Megaupload was run by pirates who left mountains of evidence that they were ensuring that their content site was filled with pirated content.

Do you have an actual example of an actual content site that was aggressively criminally prosecuted?