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Re:Theo de Raadt on OpenSSL vulnerabilities coming on the 19th by e12e on Tuesday March 17, 2015 @09:07AM (#9217591)
> It's hostile, unprofessional, and unnecessary.

It might be "unprofessional" which is to say, it's not polite (and since they're giving it away - why would it be "professional" -- they're not (necessarily) getting paid for the work) -- but it's not really disproportionately hostile, and most of all, I disagree that it's "unnecessary".

As evidenced in part by recent security issues, and in part by what the libressl project has dug up/cut away: the code base was horrid for the purpose (providing authentication and confidentiality). Much worse than merely "not good".

I think the (rightfully) hostile attitude helps others realize just how bad things were/are. And I welcome it. I'm sure a few developers are hurt by the comments, but all of your quotes above are pretty much factual and concrete: it's not name calling for the sake of being rude; it's a wake-up call. I'd be surprised if not a few "victims" of those comments aren't also glad that errors are both found and pointed out. Just as if you hacked together a not-quite working break system for a car, you'd prefer being called out as a hack, and someone fixing it, rather than having lots of people get hurt. The stakes involving openssl can actually be life or death.

Re:Theo de Raadt on OpenSSL vulnerabilities coming on the 19th by TheCondor on Tuesday March 17, 2015 @09:38AM (#9217773)
So being rude is what you do if it's "important" and the other party didn't have an optimal solution?

Looking at the long history of openbsd and some similar projects, I think being rude like that is what you do when you're too far on to the spectrum to effectively articulate an argument. It probably has something to do with lack of empathy as well... There are very real reasons why their project and user base is the size it is.

Re:Theo de Raadt on OpenSSL vulnerabilities coming on the 19th by e12e on Tuesday March 17, 2015 @09:17PM (#9222927)
> So being rude is what you do if it's "important" and the other party didn't have an optimal solution?

No, being direct is what you do if it's important. I agree that the above quotes aren't polite, but I don't think they're terribly rude. If I publish half-assed code that is hopelessly structured (even if there are reasons for it; "There's too much old cruft", "I don't have time to ...") -- I wouldn't mind getting called on my bullshit. If you suck, and someone point out to you, that you do, in fact suck -- then you should thank that someone.

Sure, it might be nicer if they're polite about it -- but it's really not that big of a deal.

Re:Theo de Raadt on OpenSSL vulnerabilities coming on the 19th by x0x0 on Tuesday March 17, 2015 @01:58PM (#9219883)
openssh has incredibly broad usage
Re:Theo de Raadt on OpenSSL vulnerabilities coming on the 19th by jdbernard on Tuesday March 17, 2015 @09:28AM (#9217702)
Agreed. There is a place to be gentle towards others' code, but security is one of the areas where we shouldn't care a mote about developers' feelings, only about the quality of the code.
Re:Theo de Raadt on OpenSSL vulnerabilities coming on the 19th by coldpie on Tuesday March 17, 2015 @10:15AM (#9218025)
I work on an open source project in my dayjob, and I can tell you I'd be far less inclined to work with an individual who curses at other developers and makes tons of disparaging comments about my work or the work of others. It creates a hostile and unwelcoming environment, which is not the kind of environment I want to be in.
Re:Theo de Raadt on OpenSSL vulnerabilities coming on the 19th by clarry on Tuesday March 17, 2015 @10:38AM (#9218192)
Good news in this case: you're not obliged to subscribe to [email protected]. Nor is anybody else... you don't even have to dig the archives or the third party blogs that publicize the commits.

But those who follow the commits know that the developers like to express their minds in the commit messages whether it is bad code written by one of them or somebody else. They're not targetting and publicly shaming some project while throwing insults straight at developers.

Re:Theo de Raadt on OpenSSL vulnerabilities coming on the 19th by e12e on Tuesday March 17, 2015 @09:20PM (#9222948)
But there was no cursing at other developers in the above quotes? It was some mild (and justified) ridicule. And an implication that they didn't give a fuck -- which might be a little crude. But it's kind of hard to argue that it might not be accurate criticism.
Re:Theo de Raadt on OpenSSL vulnerabilities coming on the 19th by PopsiclePete on Wednesday March 18, 2015 @11:31AM (#9226168)
You're obviously not a "rock star" or "code ninja" then. What's next, you're not going to have tits in your slides ???