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Re:Why I Hate Frameworks (2005) by solutionyogi on Saturday March 14, 2015 @05:53PM (#9204328)
One of my favorite articles of all time.

There is no doubt that people writing Java software loved abstractions.

One of my favorite examples: https://ptrthomas.files.wordpress.com/2006/06/jtrac-callstac...

Re:Why I Hate Frameworks (2005) by charliefg on Saturday March 14, 2015 @06:30PM (#9204444)
Would you look at that beast! The bigger PDF image is on the post:

https://ptrthomas.wordpress.com/2006/06/06/java-call-stack-f...

Re:Why I Hate Frameworks (2005) by aikah on Saturday March 14, 2015 @07:02PM (#9204565)
To be fair ,aside from a Servlet container and JDBC none of these things are required for Java web development. Java language doesn't help though and could use more features from C# for instance.
Re:Why I Hate Frameworks (2005) by dikaiosune on Saturday March 14, 2015 @08:42PM (#9204844)
Well I think the point is that it's a cultural thing. I really like Java, but it takes unconventional approaches to avoid bloat when working with Java tools because the "standard" way of doing things produces 200+ line stack traces.
Re:Why I Hate Frameworks (2005) by dikaiosune on Saturday March 14, 2015 @08:43PM (#9204847)
Hah! I currently do support at my day job on a Java monolith which is as scary as it is clunky. I've seen stack traces go past 500 lines...
Re:Why I Hate Frameworks (2005) by superuser2 on Saturday March 14, 2015 @05:59PM (#9204344)
Yep. Java may be faster for equivalent programs, but Java in practice sure as hell makes up for it with endless abstraction.