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Re:How the sugar industry shaped key government research abo... by ArkyBeagle on Friday March 13, 2015 @08:37AM (#9196794)
You seem to be reinventing "median voter theory", which got rebadged "public choice theory", which nearly nobody attests to in public.

In the US at least, government was designed to be ineffective and deadlock-prone. When there was a monoculture, individual legislators (say, Tip O'Neil) bucked the central tendency to ... do whatever it is we do now out of a sense of duty and pragmatism. And as the monoculture faded, so did that.

As the culture got noisier, you had to yell louder. Once you ( you public servant ) get used to living without dignity and a sense of gravitas, it just gets easier... eventually the system selects for the lack of those.

There's much more money in it now, and money makes people take less risk. So you get cookie cutter.

Re:How the sugar industry shaped key government research abo... by crusso on Friday March 13, 2015 @09:19PM (#9201147)
No, you constructed a straw man.

I didn't claim that voters got what the median wants. I claimed that the main driver in the complex cycle of perversion of the function of government is the bad choices of voters.

Without an informed citizenry that can make solid election choices, even the best government framework is doomed to fail because it will be populated with politicians who are unable or unwilling to do the jobs they were elected to do.

Re:How the sugar industry shaped key government research abo... by ArkyBeagle on Friday March 13, 2015 @11:02PM (#9201397)
I've read perhaps too much Bryan Caplan :), who holds that Median Voter Theory/Public Choice theory is sufficient to explain the bad choices of voters. But of course you are as familiar with that as I am, right? No. You probably are not. My bad then. rends garment.

That's more like "assuming a linkage not in evidence", a much less crafted thing than a strawman. It's ordinary carelessness, not savage guile. I can see how they seem like the same, though.

Although in the sense of revealed preferences, I'm sort of loath to call it all "bad choices." We are inconsistent, hypocritical, vain and venal creatures. That's sort of who we are; I can ... function better if I accept that and celebrate the odd exception. That way the glass is half full. For every thing that doesn't work, there are thousands of cases where it does.

And let's not kid ourselves. It's all very difficult, what our public servants do.

Re:How the sugar industry shaped key government research abo... by crusso on Saturday March 14, 2015 @01:54PM (#9203497)
And let's not kid ourselves. It's all very difficult, what our public servants do.

Yes, it's very difficult to raise that much money to destroy your political opponents while balancing all of the donor favors against what you promised to your constituents while also trying to figure out a way that you can become rich from your time in public office.

I have no pity for most politicians. They tend to be power hungry control freaks who have no problem lying to (get into/remain in) office. The lack of discrimination in voter ability to at least filter out the obvious liars is a never ending source of frustration for me.

We could do so much better.