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Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by hueving on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @04:55AM (#9183183)
Some scumbag got a guy fired by publicly shaming him on twitter for making a joke to his friend in a private conversation. That is one of the most hostile, weird, and hateful ways I've ever seen someone behave.

It's a perfect example of counter-productive, oppressive behavior that was outlined in this article. Do you think getting that guy fired is going to suddenly change his sense of humor? Not likely. If anything, it's going to poison his view of feminists in the field by coloring them all as psychopaths willing to do anything to push an agenda rather than focus on the actual technology the community was originally built around.

Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by eaton on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @10:06AM (#9184112)
> Some scumbag got a guy fired by publicly shaming him on twitter for making a joke to his friend in a private conversation. That is one of the most hostile, weird, and hateful ways I've ever seen someone behave.

A conference attendee overheard another conference attendee making dick jokes in a public space at a conference, violating the terms of the CoC that he'd agreed to before attending. She reported him and posted it on her Twitter feed, complaining about it. He was reprimanded by the conference organizers, and apologized

When he returned to his work, he was fired—and he immediately posted to HN that she'd gotten him fired. He found a new job, while she was subjected to two years of personal threats, identity theft, employer-targeted DDoS attacks, and chan grief. She still is to this day.

If you think that reporting someone for violating an conference code of conduct is the 'most hostile, weird, and hateful' way you've ever seen someone behave, you aren't watching very closely.

Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by reitanqild on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @10:19AM (#9184176)
There's more to it than that.

  1. The words were never meant for her
  2. She didn't contact him, maybe she misheard?
  3. She was, in fact, way more powerful than him (privilege)
  4. She has a history of being a professional victim
  5. -and a history of making similarly bad jokes herself, publicly
Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by bkirwi on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @11:16AM (#9184488)
It's an odd definition of personal privilege you have, where the privileged person suffers two years of harassment and abuse, and the person without privilege immediately returns to a lucrative career.

It's also an odd definition of professional victim, where publicly being a 'victim' results in you getting booted out of the profession.

I don't want to comment on the event itself here -- but I think that the aftermath, and the continued reaction to it, say a lot of sad things about the tech community.

Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by reitanqild on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @11:52AM (#9184680)
> It's an odd definition of personal privilege you have,

Which is most privileged:

  * Developer evangelist vs developer-on-the-floor
  * 10 000 twitter followers vs nothing
> It's also an odd definition of professional victim, where publicly being a 'victim' results in you getting booted out of the profession.

Why she was booted from her profession was because she misused her position, -in a way that caused significant harm to the employer.

Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by zo1 on Thursday March 12, 2015 @06:13AM (#9189898)
>"Why she was booted from her profession was because she misused her position," And if you take that at face-value, it's ironically, the very thing that feminists are supposedly fighting against in terms of sexism in the workplace.
Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by mrgriscom on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @02:03PM (#9185549)
You agree to a Code of Conduct like you agree to an EULA
Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by Potando on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @08:02AM (#9183611)
Hold on. The only scumbag that got the guy fired was his employer. Will your boss fire you if you get harassed on Twitter?
Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by hueving on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @08:11AM (#9183636)
Yes, if someone launches an Internet lynch mob of social justice warriors at me that threatens the business, of course I would be fired.

No company wants to be perceived as "the place that employs the most-hated sexist in the world" if they depend on selling to regular people. An Internet lynch mob can ruin SE rankings, launch DDoS attacks, etc. Anything that attracts one is a liability.

Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by TeMPOraL on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @11:18AM (#9184500)
That is of course a very stupid behaviour of such company - by letting someone go because of SE rankings or DDoS attacks of angry, misguided crowd, you're just showing that this is a great way to influence you. So the next time the misguided crowd wants you to fire someone? They'll find something to get themselves offended about, get angry and DDoS you.
Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by Thriptic on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @03:41PM (#9186512)
Companies are inherently shortsighted and beholden to their customers and shareholders (in public companies). Prolonged social attacks against a company may drive customers away or drop stock value, both of which negatively impact the company (and more importantly management) far more than letting one employee go. This probably significantly harms employee morale, but I doubt that's their primary concern.
Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by TeMPOraL on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @03:53PM (#9186651)
I know the reasoning, but I suspect it's based on wrong assumptions. Management is afraid of taking a stand and doing the right thing, even though it would most likely end up well for the company, not bad. I see this as risk aversion.
Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by throwaway9324 on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @09:49AM (#9184025)
It would never have reached the proportions it did if it wasn't for all the people "defending" the guy and then keep bringing it up time and time again to make an argument.
Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by reitanqild on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @10:05AM (#9184108)
You got it kind of backwards.

He was already fired by the time the "East side of Internet" reacted.

As for this being brought up again and again: it is a very good example and I can't recall the person in question ever coming up with a real apology.

Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by LordHumungous on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @04:20PM (#9186881)
Wait wait wait. Hacker culture is all about radical honesty and voicing your opinion without regard to hurting others feelings... Except when its a woman voicing an opinion about something she finds offensive.
Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by anon4 on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @08:37AM (#9183711)
From http://www.esquire.co.uk/culture/books/7933/exclusive-extrac... which was linked here not long ago:

I asked Hank if he found himself behaving differently since the incident. Had it altered how he lived his life?

“I distance myself from female developers a little bit now,” he replied. “I’m not as friendly. There’s humour, but it’s very mundane. You just don’t know. I can’t afford another Donglegate.”

So I guess it poisons his view of the entire gender.

Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by forgottenpass on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @09:17AM (#9183869)
So I guess it poisons his view of the entire gender.

It's pleasing to think that ineffective activism is zero-sum. In reality a lot of people have been turned off to ideas that fit their principles and ideals. Getting them back is going to take much more work than it would have taken to appeal to their principles before they got burned.

Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by john_butts on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @11:19AM (#9184503)
Orrrrr it brings him into line with appropriate workplace expectations in a world not dominated by dudes.
Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by hypatiadotca on Thursday March 12, 2015 @05:22AM (#9189744)
Honestly I'm pretty happy if dudes like that stay the fuck away from me. Sounds like a win-win!