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Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by mistermann on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @01:09AM (#9182676)
Brogrammer is perhaps used for efficiency, so you don't have to write a 10 page screed as we just read (which was excellent by the way).

I don't think there's any way to say it in a non-derogatory way if the central message is derogatory. The article seemed to be saying, we have a culture, and if you people infiltrate it, there is a good chance you will ruin it. I happen to agree with him.

Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by gohrt on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @05:08AM (#9183224)
It's not efficient. The word "Brogrammer" means "something something men I don't like for reasons I believe are their fault". It doesn't communicate anything, it just invites the reader to invent their own meaning, which has little to do with what the write was thinking.

The actual word was invented as a joke in a parody video, as a portmonteau of "bro" and "programmer". It then got picked up as an slur for "disliked man in the tech world".

Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by seba_dos1 on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @03:01PM (#9186116)
I don't really use this word or feel the need to participate in discussions about people it represent, but for me, when I see it somewhere, "brogrammer" means an equivalent of "cool people" from high school. Existence of them became possible due to programming becoming lucrative, with plenty of easy learning material, and therefore, beneficial for people you wouldn't at all consider a nerd to learn. It's a programmer who comes from outside of nerd culture, who looks at it like a cool kid from high school looks at school nerds.

It has also a bit "hipsterish" connotation - brogrammer is someone who's "not really into it". "The true nerds" were programmers before it was cool.

At least that's how I understand this term. "disliked man in the tech world" is much too broad, as so called "brogrammers" are supposed to dislike "true nerds".

Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by djcapelis on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @02:03AM (#9182804)
> I happen to agree with him.

Her, for whatever it's worth.

Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by Kalium on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @02:37AM (#9182871)
For an interesting experiment, show this article to the sort of people it's about. Don't tell them the author is an autistic woman. Observe their reactions. Then provide them that background and repeat observations.
Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by lucio on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @06:38AM (#9183429)
That's a GREAT experiment. A hacker will not change his opinions on the article, either good or bad. He might even ask "so?". A non-hacker hating the article will mutate opinion, and now regard the piece as an inspiring essay from a challenged minority.
Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by Kalium on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @10:36AM (#9184246)
Exactly. I've conducted this experiment myself. One self-proclaimed geek feminist went from a very hostile reaction to what was perceived as something aimed at economic exclusion to a sympathetic reaction to a woman bemoaning assaults on the culture she values.
Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by Buge on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @02:49AM (#9182898)
I realized she was a woman from this line:

>There are progressive, libertarian, anarchist, moderate, communist, conservative, liberal, and reactionary hackers, just the same as can be said for women, bisexuals, Texans, or engineers who aren’t hackers.

The sentence only really makes sense if the final 4 traits are describing the author.

Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by djcapelis on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @02:53AM (#9182906)
Meredith is a hacker under any definition. So that trait definitely is not descriptive of her.
Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by Buge on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @03:27PM (#9186351)
I meant the 4 in the list (women, bisexuals, Texans, engineers).
Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by Kalium on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @04:42PM (#9187060)
The last item is "engineers who aren't hackers".

I have no idea if Meredith is bisexual or Texan.

Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by Buge on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @09:16PM (#9188641)
Here's what the sentence is saying:

There are people who aren't like me who are hackers. Also there are people who are like me who aren't hackers.

The list of people who aren't like her is: progressive, libertarian, anarchist, moderate, communist, conservative, liberal, and reactionary.

The list of people who are like her is: women, bisexuals, Texans, or engineers.

Why else would she come up with 4 random traits? They obviously have something in common: they describe her.

The "who aren't hackers" part doesn't apply directly to engineers. It applies to the entire list. So if you were to parenthesize it to show precedence it would be "(women, bisexuals, Texans, or engineers) who aren’t hackers." Not "women, bisexuals, Texans, or (engineers who aren’t hackers)."

Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by djcapelis on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @11:39PM (#9189098)
Oh, that makes more sense when it's parsed that way! English is often ambiguous. If you're familiar with Meredith's work, the fact that this thread is all basically because of a parsing error is all very funny.
Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by maradydd on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @05:39PM (#9187557)
It's probably most accurate to say that gender isn't a significant factor in my calculus of attraction. I was born in Houston, though, and lived there for 23 years.

For what it's worth, I don't recall intending anything in particular with that list of adjectives, but you never really know about authorial intent.

Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by Cthulhu_ on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @03:16PM (#9186252)
I had to do a double-take when the author was referred to as 'her' in the comments thread to be honest. I'm just used to articles like this, describing nerd culture and whatnot, to be written by men - the traditional nerd. That's probably part of the problem, really, expectations and stereotyping about gender (and race, and sexual orientation, and gender, and personality, etc etc etc)
Re:When Nerds Collide (2014) by mistermann on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @08:49PM (#9188532)
Well that's a nice surprise.