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Re:The new MacBook by 727374 on Monday March 09, 2015 @06:46PM (#9174590)
Nobody is claiming a gold standard. With that said, I prefer windows explorer because you can simply type a path into the address bar (with tab completion if you need it) and navigate to a place on the filesystem. That's all. If finder added this one feature I'd be overjoyed. Instead, I find myself opening up menus to get to so many locations on the machine. For example, if you want to simply go to your home directory you have to use the 'GO' menu, which is just too much work for something so simple and common.
Re:The new MacBook by eric_h on Monday March 09, 2015 @06:51PM (#9174625)
Shift+Command+G doesn't seem particularly strenuous. Admittedly, you need to work to learn the shortcut, but like all shortcuts, once you've got it it costs nothing.

[edit] it's Shift+Command+H for the home directory, which you were targeting specifically, Shift+Command+G lets you type in the path to any directory (with tab completion)

Re:The new MacBook by jfroma on Monday March 09, 2015 @08:57PM (#9175250)
Yes, I use that a lot but something I miss from Windows Explorer is that i can actually copy the path. The widespread suggestion is that you can drag and drop the icon in the title but I prefer the other thing.
Re:The new MacBook by nl on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @04:34AM (#9176647)
I miss that from Windows/Ubuntu too.

You can setup an OSX service to let you do it[1]. Doesn't really work for network shares through.

[1] see 4 from http://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-copy-a-file-path-in-os-x/

Re:The new MacBook by kagamine on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @03:39AM (#9176528)
Iirc you used to be able to have the path visible at the bottom of the finder window but like so many things in OSX you have to set it to visible in the View or settings menu. I'm at work on a Winbox right now, anyone want to confirm this?
Re:The new MacBook by jfroma on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @01:22PM (#9179038)
Yes, you can see it, but you can't select it and copy it.
Re:The new MacBook by anentropic on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @06:05AM (#9176890)
I just wish the shortcuts were discoverable via the UI... instead I use it infrequently enough I have to Google it every time.
Re:The new MacBook by Doctor_Fegg on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @06:46AM (#9177007)
It is discoverable - see the bottom of the 'Go' menu.
Re:The new MacBook by jayfuerstenberg on Monday March 09, 2015 @08:06PM (#9175008)
Take your well-visited paths and drag them to the left (where Apps, Documents, etc… are).

Then just click on those labels. It's even faster than typing the path in Window's location bar.

Re:The new MacBook by TheOtherHobbes on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @09:35AM (#9177607)
Unless some of them are on a network share or a USB drive.

Disconnect and they disappear, never to be seen again.

Re:The new MacBook by city41 on Monday March 09, 2015 @07:20PM (#9174798)
why do you need to use the go menu? command+shift+h takes you home. The keyboard shortcuts are listed right in the go menu you refer to. It's also a default in the Favorites pane on the left side of all Finder windows.

I agree Finder could use some work, but I find your criticisms odd. If anyone is fantastic at consistent, system-wide keyboard shortcuts, it's Apple.

Re:The new MacBook by sixbrx on Monday March 09, 2015 @07:46PM (#9174913)
I don't think Home is in the favorites pane anymore as of Yosemite (just created a new user to test ... it's not).

What's worse is that choosing something known to be under the home, like Desktop or Documents, yields a bare window with no way of seeing what's above it, in any of the view modes.

Eventually users will discover "Go" menu (yeah I guess Home is someplace I might want to "Go" - but I assumed that's where I already am and that it was just a view issue). Go menu seemss a pretty odd place to stash such an important location.

Not going to bite on the subject of requiring a three-finger solute just to go home ...

Re:The new MacBook by city41 on Monday March 09, 2015 @09:06PM (#9175309)
The "three finger salute" has a lot of utility, as cmnd+shift+a/d/f/h/o all take you to useful places and only Documents ended up with a second rate key (as D goes to desktop). cmnd-h is hide, and is hide in all apps so does have more utility than going home, so does deserve the shorter command IMO. I still strongly stand by that Apple's key commands are the best around, most consistent and better return on investment than any other desktop environment.

Seems a lot of people don't know about holding command then clicking on the folder in the title bar to view the hierarchy. I'm not sure what I think of that because I think once it's learned it's a pretty decent solution to the problem. Discovery is an issue though.

In the end I still say the Finder isn't perfect, but I find most complaints against it are from people that haven't learned it very thoroughly.

Re:The new MacBook by sixbrx on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @09:38AM (#9177621)
Yeah I agree that for power users who use OS X a lot this is not really an issue for long, but it is an annoyance and an unnecessary one at that.

For more typical users it's a bigger problem I think, because they never learn to organize their files. I've seen the results of this with users having a Documents folder containing just a huge list of files with no organization whatsoever - just grouping some related files to send to someone else was a big chore. Theoretically, tagging is superior to a folder hierarchy, but most people just don't "get it" with tagging and never will. Tagging is not even very good for power users, because they will often use software that doesn't see the tags (cross platform editors/IDEs).

I don't disagree that Apple has done a good and thorough job with their keyboard shortcuts. I never felt motivated to learn these myself though because I spend a lot of times on various other platforms, where that muscle memory would be actually detrimental. This is as opposed to e.g. IDE/emacs/vi muscle memory which caries over pretty well across platforms.

But I just think Apple has taken a big step backwards by hiding home in favor of "All My Files". If you have a couple of repos under your home, or anything else with a lot of files that get updated from time to time, then "All My Files!" becomes pretty useless. I think they've pushed too far towards the tablet mentality and that it doesn't suit desktops and laptops very well for the way they are actually used.

They even removed the little dropdown widget that used to show the folder hierarchy (looking for that thing is what wasted my time and annoyed me before finding home under "go" menu). And the status bar at the bottom that shows the used/free space on the machine is also gone (you can turn it back on under the view menu but why make busy people go fumbling around to find these basic things?). Ask most Mac users now how much space they have left on their drive, and watch them fumble around for several minutes...

These things are all so easy to fix!

Re:The new MacBook by MaysonL on Monday March 09, 2015 @08:32PM (#9175126)
Command-click on the folder icon at the top of the window to see all the parents of the folder.
Re:The new MacBook by kibibu on Monday March 09, 2015 @09:48PM (#9175504)
This is neither intuitive nor easily discoverable
Re:The new MacBook by seivadmas on Monday March 09, 2015 @09:14PM (#9175339)
Or press cmd-up to go up a dir.