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Re:Depression link to processed food by Alex3917 on Monday November 02, 2009 @09:36AM (#916838)
It seems like depression is really a case of the pharma industry having everyone brainwashed. The vast majority of people believe that depression is a disease of biological origin, even though the academic research clearly shows that it's not a disease (it's a symptom, like AIDS) and in most cases this symptom is not the result of some underlying brain malfunction.

And yet we have all these people committing suicide because they can't get the help they need, and we have all these people who freak out whenever you say that depression isn't a disease. I don't understand it. I've literally never seen anything where the academic research was so clear and unambiguous, and yet completely rejected by virtually the entire general public.

Re:Depression link to processed food by gruseom on Monday November 02, 2009 @11:59AM (#917191)
Can you supply some links to this "academic research [that is] so clear and unambiguous"? I came to a similar conclusion years ago and would be interested in retracing your steps.

As for the not-understanding-it part, how is it hard to understand? It's effective marketing. The industry doesn't make money by people getting better, it makes money by getting (their) drugs into them. Humans are a vehicle for the delivery of their product. (So now are pets. The opening of the pet market for antidepressants is so classic a move that it will surely be studied in business schools.)

The vegetable oil industry did the same thing, ingeniously, against dairy fat. Remember those decades of propaganda about how butter and cream mean cholestorol which means heart attacks which mean death? It was an industry contrivance. The original studies it was based on were shamelessly cherry-picked. The campaign leveraged the widespread public fear that derived from the heart-attack epidemic of the 1950s and 60s. (Edit: I learned this from a CBC Ideas episode a few years ago.)

Re:Depression link to processed food by Alex3917 on Monday November 02, 2009 @05:27PM (#918105)
"Can you supply some links to this "academic research [that is] so clear and unambiguous"? I came to a similar conclusion years ago and would be interested in retracing your steps."

Just Google treatment for depression.

Re:Depression link to processed food by gruseom on Monday November 02, 2009 @11:20PM (#918573)
Are you being sarcastic? http://www.google.com/search?q=treatment+for+depression is a mire of orthodox SEO'd junk.
Re:Depression link to processed food by Tichy on Monday November 02, 2009 @10:00AM (#916887)
What do you mean by it is a symptom, not a disease? How is a disease even defined? Something is causing the symptoms, what is causing them?
Re:Depression link to processed food by Alex3917 on Monday November 02, 2009 @10:11AM (#916905)
A disease is basically a specific thing that's doing harm to the body. For example, H1N1 is a disease because it's a specific thing. AIDS, on the other hand, is not a disease because it's caused by HIV, or one of a few other things.

With depression, there are several things that can cause it: several known nutritional deficits, prescription medications, chronic illness, lack of social interaction, lack of exercise, poor diet, stress, etc. And similarly, the vast majority of people respond better to treatments that don't involve drugs.

There almost certainly are some people who do have underlying problems in their brain, but even still the depression is a symptom of whatever this disease is; calling depression itself a disease not only prevents the people without biological problems from getting care (the vast majority), but it also prevents scientists from looking for the root cause of the biological problems in the people who do have them.

Re:Depression link to processed food by dschobel on Monday November 02, 2009 @10:30AM (#916946)
I think calling something a disease, or as with obesity in america, an epidemic, serves to alarm people and local governments and does a lot more good than harm.

Also, I don't know what root cause you're looking for beyond correcting the imbalances in serotonin, norepinephrine and dopamine.

I'm not sure if fixing the modern world's tendency towards crowding, emotional isolation, biologically toxic environments and stress is really in the jurisdiction of my physician.

Re:Depression link to processed food by axod on Monday November 02, 2009 @10:17AM (#916921)
It's just a name though.

Disease seems to be used to cover loads of things that IMHO aren't really diseases these days - eg alcoholism, obesity.

I think maybe it's to excuse the person of any guilt - "I can't help it! I have a disease"

Re:Depression link to processed food by Alex3917 on Monday November 02, 2009 @10:24AM (#916935)
"It's just a name though."

But the claim is almost always "Depression is a disease caused by a biological problem in the brain." And the solution is usually just drugs.

Re:Depression link to processed food by axod on Monday November 02, 2009 @11:06AM (#917021)
Sure, true. I've never believed it's as simple as that - people get depressed for a ton of different reasons, and the 'cures' are as wide and varying. Surely most people think this?
Re:Depression link to processed food by tumult on Monday November 02, 2009 @09:47AM (#916853)
How about this one: alcoholism
Re:Depression link to processed food by Alex3917 on Monday November 02, 2009 @09:59AM (#916884)
As opposed to physical/psychological addiction in the general case?

I've never done any research into this area so I have no what the literature says.

Re:Depression link to processed food by tumult on Monday November 02, 2009 @11:16AM (#917047)
I haven't either, but I see this brought up frequently.