Re:Why didn't you back me up?
by detcader on Saturday March 07, 2015 @06:33PM
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Women don't have do, do they? "Have" implies responsibility. See my reply to esgoto.
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I don't think it implies responsibility beyond just being partly responsible for the overall corporate culture and being willing to do something about it when something is harming it.
I think what we are dealing with is male culture, not any sort of corporate culture. If we're talking about a corporate culture of not being able to hold people accountable for mistakes in general, then I would agree.
I've observed that some women buy into it and seem to like/admire those who do some of that behavior.
"Some women" believe that women are meant to serve their husband's every command, but this is not consequential to the responsibility of the men in these subcultures (like those often within religious communities, for example). You note that women "buy", but what is the merchant?
Not sure how to respond to this. I don't think responsibility matters in this case, it's more of a pragmatic question of how can those of us who do care about it make a positive impact in a world where many people don't care to (for one reason or another).
That's good, I agree that there are avenues pretty much anyone can take to make change in the world.
Women are free to do that, because they're the oppressed group. They aren't members of the patriarchy, they're oppressed by it. Whether or not they're behaving that way due to internalized sexism or personal preference is irrelevant to the point that this is a pattern of male sexual aggression.
Thanks, this is what I was trying to say, but without words like "oppressed" and "patriarchy" because most of my fellow men don't understand what these words mean or deny the reality the that they refer to.
Yeah I feel like whenever "patriarchy" gets into my posts, I get 500 downvotes. I'm a white male too, fwiw. Go team.
EDIT: Aaaaaaand there we go. Finally.
I'm a man who happens to not participate in that culture.
You think I have any responsibility with regards to this issue? You think that, despite me not making lewd comments, encouraging lewd comments or behaviour, I am partly responsible for the fact that this happens? No. You don't get to put a collective blame on me just because I happen to have a penis.