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Re:Dropbox accesses all the files in your PC? by hamstergene on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @03:32AM (#9136670)
This article does not prove "steals everything" claim. Very shallow work for "Information Security Specialist".

The reason Dropbox accesses files all over the drive may be that FS events driver generates events for every file accessed by every program, and Dropbox has to read their metadata for some reason (e.g. to check if their full path is under one of synced folders). He should elaborate by checking if Dropbox is actually scanning and reading all drives, which is hardly unnoticeable, or is it something else.

Having network activity at the same time does not mean this file has been transferred. It is incredibly hard for me to believe that Dropbox has sneakily transferred >1TB from my various computers without me and my ISP noticing. The author should monitor Dropbox traffic volumes over a week and check if it actually exceeds synced folders size before spreading panic.

Re:Dropbox accesses all the files in your PC? by bobofettfett on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @03:36AM (#9136680)
Or maybe not. Your speculation is as good as mine. Or the op. Or everyone else. The point was Dropbox is accessing files outside the folder, something I would not want or expect.

"It is incredibly hard for me to believe that Dropbox has sneakily transferred >1TB"

Did they transfer hashes? name+type+size for fingerprinting? Searching for credit numbers or SSNs? Who knows. I don't. And don't do evil is no longer the basic assumption.

Re:Dropbox accesses all the files in your PC? by onderkalaci on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @03:45AM (#9136708)
I agree with you. The main problem is that why dropbox accesses the files that it is not permitted.
Re:Dropbox accesses all the files in your PC? by cremno on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @03:51AM (#9136725)
I don't know. I'm actually more interested in what it receives/sends.
Re:Dropbox accesses all the files in your PC? by morganvachon on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @09:14AM (#9137692)
I would be very interested in seeing if Dropbox does the same thing the author claims, but on non-Windows OSes. There are official Dropbox packages for OS X, Debian-based Linux distros, Fedora/Redhat and derivatives, and a source release for packaging the binary for other OSes. If the same or similar activity is seen on other OSes, something's afoot. If the issue only shows up on Windows, it's likely a Windows-only issue or quirk (but could still be nefarious and only targeting Windows users, though personally I'm not that paranoid).
Re:Dropbox accesses all the files in your PC? by umurkontaci on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @05:12AM (#9136981)
Simple. Put up an SSL interceptor proxy and see what's going through.
Re:Dropbox accesses all the files in your PC? by a3_nm on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @06:29AM (#9137142)
Would this really work? I would expect the SSL certificate of Dropbox's servers to be hardcoded in the client, so the client would refuse to connect to an interceptor.
Re:Dropbox accesses all the files in your PC? by exDM69 on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @08:48AM (#9137582)
The Dropbox client is running with normal user privileges on a computer that you have root access to. It should be possible to use reverse engineering/debugging tools to either bypass SSL checks or analyze the dropbox client binary to see what is being sent/recvd.
Re:Dropbox accesses all the files in your PC? by a3_nm on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @10:13AM (#9138005)
Sure, I'm just saying it would be less straightforward than mitmproxy. I wonder if there are tools to hook into whatever SSL library is being used (OpenSSL?) and intercept traffic before it gets encrypted and after it gets decrypted? (probably using LD_PRELOAD, like tsocks)
Re:Dropbox accesses all the files in your PC? by yc1010 on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @04:11AM (#9136795)
They could look for bitcoin wallet files, thats what typical malware does nowadays. Could theorethically only takes the infection of one computer to strike it rich.
Re:Dropbox accesses all the files in your PC? by Maakuth on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @04:49AM (#9136898)
That would be a solid line of thought if this would be some shady adware from some unknown company. But Dropbox is valued more than $10B, that's more than twice the market cap of all Bitcoin. Even if everyone at Dropbox went criminally insane, there would be no way for them to recover even a reasonable fraction of it in BTC markets. Not to mention it would completely kill their reputation and thus the highly-valued business.
Re:Dropbox accesses all the files in your PC? by ForHackernews on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @11:18AM (#9138470)
Lenovo is a $16B company, and we learned they're breaking SSL and man-in-the-middle attacking all their customers. I think we should be careful in not assuming "big, rich company" means "sensible, responsible company"

Also, theoretically, it could be a single (or a few) developers going rogue, rather than an approved company policy. It wouldn't be the first time.[0]

[0] http://www.tomsguide.com/us/David-Barksdale-Google-Engineer-...

Re:Dropbox accesses all the files in your PC? by yc1010 on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @05:05AM (#9136958)
They dont have to steal the bitcoins

Collecting "metadata" such as Address X stored on Computer Y on ip address Z could be worth quite alot to likes of NSA who I am sure have plenty of incentive to monitor crypto-currencies and would either pay Dropbox to do it or alternatively bang them over the head with a hammer and make them their bitches in order to collect all sorts of juicy "metadata" on millions of people world wide.

Hell access to so much information could make for quite a political tool, remember that general in washington who was kicked out because he was having an affair and somehow his private communications via gmail drafts became public. What would prevent an opportunistic dictator from gaining absolute control over political landscape of a country if this dictator has access/control to an organization such as NSA?

Americans get up in arms over their right to be armed all the time, but they ignore (or do not realize?) that without privacy and secure communications they would never be able to organize a resistance to a totalitarian government which is better armed and could potentially (already does?) monitor everything and everyone on a scale that would make Orwell blush and spin in his grave.

Re:Dropbox accesses all the files in your PC? by ttty on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @04:54AM (#9136921)
Wait some years when bitcoin is $10K and Dropbox is $0 and we'll talk again.
Re:Dropbox accesses all the files in your PC? by logicallee on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @05:57AM (#9137077)
all of bitcoins, including every lost bitcoin, have a market cap of $3.8 billion combined, a valuation set based on worldwide trading volume of only $40m over 24h.

Dropbox has already closed hundreds of millions of venture capital money at a valuation of $10 billion. I think it's safe to say Dropbox has found some wallets that are much easier to open than bitcoin wallet files. :)

Re:Dropbox accesses all the files in your PC? by abritishguy on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @05:37AM (#9137039)
That is the only way you can watch for filesystem changes on Windows.
Re:Dropbox accesses all the files in your PC? by hvm on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @04:08AM (#9136783)
He has a tool that checks for accesses on specific kinds of files and he uses that and a few specially crafted files to see what happens. That tool might even influence other processes for all we know.

How does a security researcher not know about procmon? another user here did a test and found no problems.

Re:Dropbox accesses all the files in your PC? by userbinator on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @09:04AM (#9137643)
This article does not prove "steals everything" claim. Very shallow work for "Information Security Specialist".

He has shown - and others here in the comments have verified (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9136740 ) - the file access. It's not a "read contents" though, but only reading metadata.

He has shown there is network activity.

He has NOT shown what exactly that network activity consists of. Without that, the "steals everything" claim is just jumping to conclusions.

As others here have mentioned, setup a proxy and look at the actual data being transferred. Replace the certificate in the client if you have to, to get around cert pinning. The most important part is to get the data. This should be pretty easy to do for someone who claims to have those qualifications.

Shallow work indeed. This reminds me of the Samsung keylogger story a few years ago where a "security professional" ran one AV software, which falsely identified the presence of a single folder's path as a keylogger, and then based on this one data point and blind faith in his AV, claimed there was a keylogger preinstalled on some Samsung laptops. This made the news and was spread widely... yet he had not even taken the most basic step of looking at the contents of that folder, which would've instantly disproved the theory.

This is an example of the right way to investigate and substiantiate your claims:

http://doctorbeet.blogspot.ca/2013/11/lg-smart-tvs-logging-u...

Sadly, we'll probably see a round of "Dropbox steals your data!" going through the media before someone steps up with the truth. I personally don't use Dropbox and don't have the time to verify these claims --- but the onus should be on the one making them in the first place.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

Re:Dropbox accesses all the files in your PC? by lucb1e on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @09:55AM (#9137890)
Maybe not file contents, but it could be uploading filenames for whatever reason.

I'm not saying it is, but your assertion that it uploads all file contents is wrong.