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Re:FCC Passes Strict Net Neutrality Regulations on 3-2 Vote by Spooky23 on Thursday February 26, 2015 @02:32PM (#9114801)
Mark Cuban's position isn't technically savvy, it's an opportunity for him to make more money. He says flat out that the Internet model that has worked for decades is broken now, because Netflix. Oh, and QVC should have a right to pay for preferred treatment and lower latency.

The reality is that building core network capacity to handle the likes of Netflix and 8k television is possible and gets cheaper as time goes on. I just participated in the buildout of new datacenter... The cost of building densities of network interconnect and compute unfathomable in 2005 is actually lower than the old 1gb stuff. WAN and telecom equipment that used to take up 10k ft^2 now take two racks and cost 80% less.

The capital investment issues the ISPs face have nothing to do with interconnect -- their dollars are spent in the last mile.

The public interest isn't compatible with Mark Cuban's ability & desire to throw millions of dollars at telcos to give his ventures an advantage. Market forces don't apply when the ISP business is slowly consolidating into a circa 1965 AT&T redux.

Re:FCC Passes Strict Net Neutrality Regulations on 3-2 Vote by spiralpolitik on Thursday February 26, 2015 @02:49PM (#9114946)
Isn't this what it boils down to for the opponents of Net Neutrality ? Either they can't make as much money or they can't buy themselves advantage.

Also expect to see someone like Cuban challenge this on 1st amendment grounds. Given that for the 1% mindset spending money equals speech, the government stopping them spending money to again an advantage is in their mind a restriction on speech. Sad but true.

Re:FCC Passes Strict Net Neutrality Regulations on 3-2 Vote by artemisu on Thursday February 26, 2015 @04:49PM (#9115768)
So was this a good or a bad thing? im sensing overwhelming good
Re:FCC Passes Strict Net Neutrality Regulations on 3-2 Vote by spiralpolitik on Thursday February 26, 2015 @05:06PM (#9115890)
If it sticks its a good thing. My optimism is tempered the nonsensical court decisions of recent times.
Re:FCC Passes Strict Net Neutrality Regulations on 3-2 Vote by emcrazyone on Thursday February 26, 2015 @04:01PM (#9115462)
"The capital investment issues the ISPs face have nothing to do with interconnect -- their dollars are spent in the last mile."

So very true. I'm an ISP owner. The other factor is peering agreements over those last miles but, yes, totally agree.

Re:FCC Passes Strict Net Neutrality Regulations on 3-2 Vote by 300bps on Thursday February 26, 2015 @04:23PM (#9115598)
Mark Cuban's position isn't technically savvy, it's an opportunity for him to make more money.

An update to original article lends evidence to what you said:

Note: 2:08 pm. Thursday. As readers have noted, Cuban has been a celebrity spokesman of sorts for AT&T, appearing in a series of commercials for the wireless giant.

Re:FCC Passes Strict Net Neutrality Regulations on 3-2 Vote by williamcotton on Thursday February 26, 2015 @03:04PM (#9115078)
Your comment is currently "above the fold" and even though I agree with you, I downvoted because I don't think this discussion should involve what Mark Cuban whatsoever.

Whatever dialog he spurs is going to be an intellectual dead end.

BTW, why isn't anyone talking about the Interstate Commerce Commission, the predecessor to the FCC, and the similarities between common carrier status of railways and Internet service providers?

We have over a hundred years of actual evidence to support the pros and cons of regulating public communications. Why are we choosing to instead resort to blind conjecture based on talking point samples from the last decade?

Re:FCC Passes Strict Net Neutrality Regulations on 3-2 Vote by Spooky23 on Thursday February 26, 2015 @03:56PM (#9115425)
I mentioned Mark Cuban in context of the parent comment. Whatever our opinion of Mr Cuban, his arguments are essentially the same as the telecom people.

If we had a functional market, the excesses of the ICC would be a cautionary tale of great impact. Unfortunately the behavior of the ISPs has illustrated that we don't have that functional marketplace. I think we should follow the path successfully implemented (in most places) for utilities like water, electricity and the legacy telephone service.

Re:FCC Passes Strict Net Neutrality Regulations on 3-2 Vote by williamcotton on Thursday February 26, 2015 @04:35PM (#9115671)
I know, it just sucks that this is now turning in to a discussion directed by some loud mouth on a reality TV show.

Anyways... I'm not disagreeing with you. I agree that we should follow historical precedent and that ISPs should be regulated as Type II common carriers.

The railways that the ICC were primarily established to regulate were most definitely not a functional market. Railways at the time were also charging different fees for the different things they were transporting. Their customers also didn't have a choice of competitors and suffered under collusion between companies. Network Neutrality is essentially an extension of the same conversation.

The ICC also had statues for regulating communication. The FCC took over for the ICC's role in regulating communication in 1934 and the organizational was modeled on the ICC with 5 member appointed by the president.

We should be talking about what worked with the ICC and what didn't. If people are offering conjectures about what the results of these FCC regulations will have on the Internet they have plenty of historical evidence to use for their arguments. We can point to how the railroads abused and had a negative impact on society. We can show how overregulation harms industry. We can show example of regulatory capture. We can show example of tragedies involving unmanaged shared common resources.

Railways and the ICC are a very similar analogy but we can reason about all sorts of other precedent. We can find examples from the Hanseatic League, the Holy Roman Empire, the Dutch East Indies Company, the South Seas Bubble or anything else from our history. It all applies and led to our existing systems of government, business and law.