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Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make... by ianlevesque on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @04:09PM (#9109620)
I agree that there doesn't appear to be any technical difference between this CNC / 3D printer and others, but intent seems to matter a lot with the law. These are clearly marketed and sold for the purpose of firearm construction.
Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make... by fnordfnordfnord on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @04:16PM (#9109672)
>These are clearly marketed and sold for the purpose of firearm construction.

Which is also not against the law.

Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make... by damoncali on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @04:13PM (#9109647)
Except firearm construction is totally legal.
Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make... by chc on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @04:31PM (#9109763)
Technically, yes. In practice, quite possibly no. AFAIK you can build a gun for yourself legally, but you can't build a gun for sale without a license. A machine like this seems like it would be used to make a lot of guns, which implies trade, which raises the specter of illegal activity.
Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make... by refurb on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @04:39PM (#9109820)
A DVD drive like this seems like it would be used to make a lot of DVD copies, which implies trade, which raises the specter of illegal activity.
Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make... by hga on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @05:18PM (#9110150)
That may turn out to be interesting.

The business model of this machine (well, aside from the advocacy/self-promotion angle others describe) is that one person buys this, then allows others to use it to finish their "80% receivers". (And then they do a hell of a lot more work to turn it into a safe, functioning gun, but that's assembly, not machining, a lot more people are good (enough) at the former than the latter.)

Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make... by mirimir on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @05:46PM (#9110307)
Why couldn't someone buy the thing, and then rent it to other hobbyists? Or perhaps a serial resale network could develop. Eventually, I presume that Defense Distributed would release designs for the mill itself.
Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make... by damoncali on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @06:08PM (#9110404)
It's overkill. Completing a lower is doable with normal shop tools. DD is making a point, not a product.
Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make... by chc on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @04:50PM (#9109914)
> A DVD drive like this seems like it would be used to make a lot of DVD copies, which implies trade, which raises the specter of illegal activity.

No it doesn't. Most people who have computers with DVD drives do not sell DVDs. On the other hand, most people who have gun manufacturing machines do trade in guns.

Just as relevant, you don't need a license for DVDs, but you do need a license for guns.

Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make... by mdturnerphys on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @05:03PM (#9110043)
A lathe and drill press are all you need to make a gun, but I don't think that most people that own them do trade in guns.
Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make... by chc on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @05:33PM (#9110239)
This was the comment that started the thread you're posting in. You might want to go back and reread the conversation that preceded your comment.
Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make... by fnordfnordfnord on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @07:27PM (#9110676)
I think it makes more sense to rent or re-sell the machine rather than take the risk of selling bootleg AR-15 lower receivers.
Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make... by wmeredith on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @04:19PM (#9109693)
As is refusing to ship something.
Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make... by damoncali on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @04:28PM (#9109744)
True, but lets not pretend this is a legal question. Given that UPS will ship 8 pound jugs of gunpowder to unlicensed individuals every day of the week and twice on Sunday, I have a hard time believing they have some sort of philosophical objection to guns. (I have personally shipped a gun legally via UPS).

So I'm going to conclude the real issue is fear. Fear of governmental overreach and all the hassles it can bring.

Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make... by fnordfnordfnord on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @04:36PM (#9109799)
Also Tannerite.
Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make... by fnordfnordfnord on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @04:30PM (#9109758)
Fair enough. It's their prerogative. Now if they can only find the courage to be honest about that.
Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make... by infogulch on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @04:13PM (#9109648)
I keep forgetting about this. Color of your bits and all that [1].

[1]: http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23