Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make...
by damoncali on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @04:08PM
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The UPS guy has no idea what he's talking about. Literally millions of gun parts are shipped to non-FFL holders (aka consumers) by UPS. As are live ammunition, powder and primers. They'll also ship actual guns both to and from non-licensed individuals as long as there is an FFL on one end. (A gunsmith is allowed to mail your gun back to you - although not to sell via mail order).
Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make...
by maratd on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @04:24PM
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The UPS guy is saying what UPS should say. Of course, the reality is that UPS has no idea what's inside of all those boxes.
Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make...
by damoncali on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @04:30PM
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They absolutely know. You have to pay a hazmat fee on the gunpoweder/ammo, for example, and when you're shipping boxes out of a gun parts retailer, guess what? Those boxes contain gun parts. The PR flunky is either lying or totally misinformed - I'm guessing the latter.
Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make...
by maratd on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @07:03PM
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You can go to the UPS store and ship an unmarked package there. So how would they know?
Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make...
by damoncali on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @08:25PM
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Well, I guess they'd have to ask. But the point is that they are very much aware that they currently ship large quantities of guns, gun parts, and ammunition to unlicensed people (legally) every single day.
Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make...
by mgarfias on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @07:13PM
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I've shipped handloaded ammo to a buddy. You absolutely have to declare what's in the box, and the box must be marked "ORM-D" on multiple sides. Oh, and you goto the UPS depot, not some retail outlet.
I've had lots of non serial numbered/non ffl parts shipped to me via usps, FedEx, and ups.
This guy is completely full of crap.
Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make...
by Navarr on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @07:49PM
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Though, what he's talking about is more specific than ammo - which they probably already know all the local laws on.
While I see your point, I can still believe that UPS is erring on the side of caution while they try to figure out all the legislation involved in being a courier for this type of thing.
Re:FedEx and UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make...
by mgarfias on Friday February 27, 2015 @11:09AM
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So they’re happy to ship me 80% AR15 lowers, along with the jig used to cut the fire control pockets. Plus all the other parts to build the AR15.
But not a machine that can cut the fire control pockets for me?
FedEx: “We are uncertain at this time whether this device is a regulated commodity by local, state or federal governments. As such, to ensure we comply with the applicable law and regulations, FedEx declined to ship this device until we know more about how it will be regulated.”
UPS: A UPS spokesperson wrote in a statement that the company will only ship guns and gun parts between holders of a federal firearms license. In a follow-up statement, it confirmed that it won’t ship the Ghost Gunner either. “UPS reserves the right to refuse to provide transportation service for, among other reasons, any shipments that create legal, safety or operational concerns,” writes spokesperson Dan Mackin. “UPS is continuing to evaluate such concerns with regard to the transportation of milling machines used to produce operable firearms but, at this point in time, will not accept such devices for transportation.”
USPS: The US Postal Service didn’t immediately respond to questions about whether they would allow the shipment of the Ghost Gunner or other potential gunsmithing devices.