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Re:Gemalto's findings of its investigations into the alleged... by rsm439 on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @04:43AM (#9106033)
Please pardon my naiveté, but is it even possible for a company that operates in 85 countries to do a thorough security audit in the six days since this news started making the rounds? The rapidity of their response makes me uneasy.
Re:Gemalto's findings of its investigations into the alleged... by skolor on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @06:07AM (#9106202)
From the article, it sounds like they just looked at old incident reports and said "yup, these two are 'sophisticated,' they could be the NSA/GCHQ."

Its a little disturbing that the "sophisticated" attacks they detected don't really sound all that sophisticated. Is spoofing an email and sending a PDF/Office exploit really considered sophisticated? While its a step above the most basic script-kiddie type stuff, that isn't unreasonable for even normal pentesting to do, and I wouldn't consider it an indicator of a nation-state attacker at all. Even if the attack was using 0-day in the attachment viewer, its not unheard of for malware kits to employ similar techniques.

It definitely says something that those attacks were at least partially successful against systems Gemalto thinks could have resulted in the theft of sensitive crypto keys.

Re:Gemalto's findings of its investigations into the alleged... by snowwrestler on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @10:02AM (#9107007)
> Is spoofing an email and sending a PDF/Office exploit really considered sophisticated?

Generically, no, but the details can vary widely. If the email looks exactly like an internal email, and appears to come "from" someone the target knows, and the content references processes, info, or idioms common to that company or person, then that would be pretty darn sophisticated. Not technologically (an email is an email, after all), but socially.

From the technology side, the specifics of the exploit, and what the malware tries to do in the PC/network after the spear phish succeeds, can also indicate varying levels of sophistication. If the spear phish contained a zero-day OS exploit (previously unknown vulnerability), that would be pretty darn sophisticated.

I have no knowledge of the particulars of Gemalto--just speaking generally about how a spear phish attempt might be evaluated.

Re:Gemalto's findings of its investigations into the alleged... by joosters on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @07:13AM (#9106354)
Is spoofing an email and sending a PDF/Office exploit really considered sophisticated?

Maybe. I'd say a targeted email, using a believable, researched sender address and relevant contents, would be fairly sophisticated. It would certainly be way more effective than the bulk 'please pay this generic invoice' exploits that I get spammed with.

Re:Gemalto's findings of its investigations into the alleged... by AlyssaRowan on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @08:49AM (#9106673)
Spear phishing, as its nicknamed? If something is sophisticated enough to work, don't knock it!

There's no fundamental difference between the basic techniques used by malicious hackers, organised crime, pentesters or nation-state adversaries doing offensive "cyber-operations" (ugh): the only big difference is the budget (time, personnel, money), how likely they are to get away with it, and how aggressive they are.

Re:Gemalto's findings of its investigations into the alleged... by gerty on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @04:51AM (#9106058)
It appeared in the press a week ago but Gemalto should have been informed earlier. Still seems like a small amount of time. It took Belgacom much longer to deal with it.
Re:Gemalto's findings of its investigations into the alleged... by Cthulhu_ on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @07:09AM (#9106342)
I'm pretty sure that they had a report still lying around from that period - which, for pretty obvious reasons, they wouldn't publish to the public until today, and even then only referring to it in a press release to reassure everyone that probably nothing happened.
Re:Gemalto's findings of its investigations into the alleged... by kbart on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @06:46AM (#9106282)
They might have discovered attack much earlier and hoping nobody else will find out, after all, it was made by government agencies so stolen data supposed to be in "safe hands" anyway. No proof, just a thought.