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Re:As Republicans Concede, F.C.C. Is Expected to Enforce Net... by nemo on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @06:41PM (#9104332)
The FCC has made its share of mistakes, but that doesn't necessarily mean this will be one.

"Title II regulation was designed for the plain-old-telephone-system monopolies, where there was even less choice (one provider!) than the very worst of current local broadband markets."

My mom has one ISP to choose from (and dismal service.) More than half the population of the US have access to a single broadband provider.

"The internet, without any FCC rules, thrived and completely eclipsed that slow-moving regulated market."

When behemoth broadband providers began openly plotting to predatorily damage some of the things that had helped provide for the internet's success, it was clear to most that some kind of regulations were needed.

"new federal rules will limit what ISPs can offer and charge, regardless of what paying customers prefer."

I have yet to hear from a single paying customer that actually wanted what the ISPs were plotting.

"Upstart services offering novel cross-subsidized speed/latency improvements will require federal pre-approval or risk outright prohibition."

Yeah, they would need approval if they wanted to offer that particular service, though I am not sure how to find that disappointing.

"This is not a victory for either the internet or the "little guy"."

Perhaps, why not see what actually happens before making broad speculative declarations, though?

Re:As Republicans Concede, F.C.C. Is Expected to Enforce Net... by brandonmenc on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @06:52PM (#9104375)
> My mom has one ISP to choose from (and dismal service.)

Net Neutrality changes this how?

Re:As Republicans Concede, F.C.C. Is Expected to Enforce Net... by netheril96 on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @07:02PM (#9104430)
Net neutrality does not change the monopoly of ISPs. Net neutrality is necessitated by the monopoly. Where the market forces have failed, only regulation can protect the consumers.
Re:As Republicans Concede, F.C.C. Is Expected to Enforce Net... by gojomo on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @07:11PM (#9104463)
If the problem is monopoly, why not use antitrust enforcement, rather than dictating service/pricing details?

And why impose net neutrality regulations on all the markets where there are multiple competitive providers? Why not let localities where there's an actual problem fix it locally, rather than set new nationwide rules?

Re:As Republicans Concede, F.C.C. Is Expected to Enforce Net... by lutorm on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @07:35PM (#9104555)
As far as I remember the FCC announcement, they already said they would not "dictate service/pricing details".
Re:As Republicans Concede, F.C.C. Is Expected to Enforce Net... by hga on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @07:26PM (#9104529)
"If the problem is monopoly, why not use antitrust enforcement"

Because these are government created monopolies, as all enduring ones are. State and Federal for the telcos, local for the cablecos.

And as has been noted elsewhere in this discussion, for some inexplicable reason, as reported (strange, how only the FCC commissioners have access to these 300+ (!) pages, and for less than 3 weeks), this new regime leaves these government created last mile monopolies intact.

It's not an exaggeration nor necessarily hyperbole to call this Obamacare for the Internet, when it enshrines the existing order of things, merely wrapping it in even more regulation. And, somehow, I seriously doubt a reduction in prices for us or companies like Netflix.

Re:As Republicans Concede, F.C.C. Is Expected to Enforce Net... by dragonwriter on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @07:43PM (#9104596)
> strange, how only the FCC commissioners have access to these 300+ (!) pages, and for less than 3 weeks

Its not strange, its how the regulatory process always works. Until its been voted on, its not a formal regulation or regulatory proposal, and is not published. If it is passed by the commission, its published. It can be passed as a formal regulatory proposal for comment (like the NPRM from last year that this is a follow-up to) or as a regulatory order (what is most likely in this case, as they've issued a formal proposal for comment, gathered the comment, and are now finalizing how to move forward given the comment received on the proposal.)

Re:As Republicans Concede, F.C.C. Is Expected to Enforce Net... by nemo on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @07:37PM (#9104567)
What specific pricing details do you believe will be effected? The plan as proposed involved forebearance to avoid that.
Re:As Republicans Concede, F.C.C. Is Expected to Enforce Net... by gojomo on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @08:19PM (#9104763)
If the FCC ruling-majority can 'reclassify' (on their own discretion) and 'forbear' (on their own discretion) then these same commissioners, or a future set, could similarly and unilaterally keep adding more of Title II to the mix.
Re:As Republicans Concede, F.C.C. Is Expected to Enforce Net... by dragonwriter on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @08:57AM (#9106725)
If they could, that's true whether or not this set of commissioners chooses to use Title II right now, so it's not an argument against this FCC action. It's also not necessarily true; forbearance is not a matter of pure discretion, is a conditional mandate in the law -- a shall rather than a may.
Re:As Republicans Concede, F.C.C. Is Expected to Enforce Net... by nemo on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @09:48PM (#9104991)
So in theory they might do something they were saying they wouldn't do or someone might some day do that thing. Sure, there is a remote possibility. You're talking about it as a certainty, though.
Re:As Republicans Concede, F.C.C. Is Expected to Enforce Net... by alexqgb on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @07:23PM (#9104514)
Because this is about keeping the power of ISPs in check, which is far easier to do when they only have one set of customers. Give them two (i.e., upstream and downstream) and they're in a position to play one off the other in classic middle-man fashion.
Re:As Republicans Concede, F.C.C. Is Expected to Enforce Net... by zachwood on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @07:02PM (#9104426)
Net Neutrality isn't supposed to change this, it's to help ensure she's not being taken advantage of due to her lack of choices.
Re:As Republicans Concede, F.C.C. Is Expected to Enforce Net... by protomyth on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @07:43PM (#9104599)
Can you give a technical definition of what you believe Net Neutrality is?