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Re:Privacy is at a crossroads. Choose wisely by dmschulman on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @11:38AM (#9101696)
The myth of "partially anonymize" data is infuriating. As an academic exercise I've begun to pore over Privacy Policies for web new services I find, specifically how my account info will be used with third parties.

No new consumer oriented web product in their right mind would advertise "we monetize your data with third parties", but they all include language in their Privacy Policies about sharing "partially anonymize" data. It might make you feel safe and sound when it comes to Company X protecting your identity, but marketers and other organizations don't look at data points in a vacuum, everything is in aggregate, and your aggregate profile represents you to the highest degree of certainty.

Re:Privacy is at a crossroads. Choose wisely by TeMPOraL on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @12:24PM (#9102039)
Exactly. There is no such thing as "anonymized data", there is only "not enough context" and "I need more computing power!". It's important to understand what one is up against when fighting for privacy.

Incidentally, that's part of the reason why I'm having this feeling, that the future is a choice - "privacy or progress, pick one". Because if you really, really care about privacy and anonymity, the sheer amount of otherwise very useful data you'd have to forbid processing and sharing of is staggering. Take for instance shopping. Should we prevent retailers from collecting transactions data? Should we prevent them from installing CCTVs to deter theft? If neither, then how we're going to prevent them from correlating those two sets to keep a profile on you?

(yes, I know retailers now use credit card data and club cards for that - but say one or both data sets will become unavailable - then they'll start looking for alternatives)

It's a serious question. I don't see reducing data collection as a viable strategy, and I'm not sure if we can present entities from sharing data sets with each other. I'd like to know what could be the long-term privacy perserving strategy that doesn't require us to roll back the computer age.

Re:Privacy is at a crossroads. Choose wisely by dmschulman on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @12:55PM (#9102281)
Yeah it's tricky because online consumer tracking is just the evolution of a methodology which has been in place for a long time (like supermarket club cards you mentioned). Working in marketing gives you a sense of just how pervasive it is, what tricks are at one's disposal, and I think an individual company should be allowed to know how consumers use and value a their products, but being able to sell that information to a third-party is where the line needs to be drawn.

I don't know if Congress is the solution (http://thehill.com/policy/technology/215457-big-data-lobbyis...), I don't believe any branch of the US government has enough of an understanding with tech issues to pass effective regulation. I hope to be proven wrong though.

The most realistic way, in my opinion, to achieve some degree of reform is by encouraging businesses at a grassroots level to just simply not engage in these kinds of practices. That's an even tougher sell to many businesses than getting Congress to pass a law, but I'm heartened by companies like DuckDuckGo who build a product around the idea of "user privacy above all else". I think if that idea becomes popular enough and new businesses become noble enough to stick to their principals on issues of privacy (vs selling out to make $$) we might have an effective solution.

Re:Privacy is at a crossroads. Choose wisely by hackuser on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @01:28PM (#9102513)
> I don't believe any branch of the US government has enough of an understanding with tech issues to pass effective regulation. I hope to be proven wrong though.

For what it's worth, members of Congress lack in-depth understanding of most things they legislate. Nobody can know that much about so many topics, almost anything under the Sun (and for NASA legislation, beyond thhe Sun too).

Perhaps we need an IT regulator, who develops expertise. That's how many industries are regulated.

Re:Privacy is at a crossroads. Choose wisely by dasboth on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @11:50AM (#9101779)
"As an academic exercise I've begun to pour over Privacy Policies for web new services"

This is something I've been thinking of doing. I don't suppose you've shared these anywhere online by any chance? I always thought that would make a good site - somewhere where you can look up certain services' privacy policies in layman's terms. I suspect a good one already exists.

Re:Privacy is at a crossroads. Choose wisely by drdaeman on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @11:57AM (#9101827)
Re:Privacy is at a crossroads. Choose wisely by tnhh on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @02:42PM (#9103000)
http://www.docracy.com/tos/changes is also good for tracking changes. And today I saw a talk about http://commonterms.org/ which could be useful if widely implemented.
Re:Privacy is at a crossroads. Choose wisely by dasboth on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @05:04PM (#9103846)
Common Terms looks like an interesting idea, I'd like to think I actually would read a summary of terms like what they're suggesting
Re:Privacy is at a crossroads. Choose wisely by dasboth on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @05:02PM (#9103836)
Exactly what I was after - thanks!
Re:Privacy is at a crossroads. Choose wisely by nine_k on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @12:14PM (#9101972)
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Re:Privacy is at a crossroads. Choose wisely by falcor84 on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @12:59PM (#9102313)
I upvoted you, but I also enjoy seeing these kinds of mistakes which either get me to imagine new metaphors, and/or (like in this case) get me to learn about real-world things. Turns out that pour-over is a coffee brewing method: http://coffee.wikia.com/wiki/Pour-Over_Filtration_Brewing
Re:Privacy is at a crossroads. Choose wisely by dmschulman on Tuesday February 24, 2015 @12:56PM (#9102294)
Fixed, cheers