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Re:Sex redefined: the idea of two sexes is simplistic by Kalium on Thursday February 19, 2015 @02:07PM (#9076143)
Does that make a highly accurate approximation into a less accurate one?

At what point is it acceptable to say that something is an approximation, and should not expected to be precise and accurate in perfect detail?

Re:Sex redefined: the idea of two sexes is simplistic by Aloisius on Thursday February 19, 2015 @02:14PM (#9076197)
> Does that make a highly accurate approximation into a less accurate one?

What we have right now is not an approximation, but a binary measurement. Turning sex into an approximation would be considered a significant step forward considering science tells us it is not binary.

Re:Sex redefined: the idea of two sexes is simplistic by Kalium on Thursday February 19, 2015 @02:23PM (#9076287)
As simon_ and Symmetry point out, that binary is in fact a pretty accurate approximation. So it seems we have both a binary measurement and an approximation in one. Perhaps we should consider that something can be both a binary measurement and a reasonably accurate approximation of a spectrum.

Regardless, my earlier question stands. At what point is it acceptable for an approximation to not be accurate in detail? What's the acceptable level of error in approximations?

Re:Sex redefined: the idea of two sexes is simplistic by TuringTest on Thursday February 19, 2015 @03:06PM (#9076604)
> What's the acceptable level of error in approximations?

I'm fairly sure the lifes of those affected negatively by the error are outside the "acceptable level". We're talking about humans here, not mathematical rounding errors.

Re:Sex redefined: the idea of two sexes is simplistic by Kalium on Thursday February 19, 2015 @04:40PM (#9077275)
It seems your objection is not to approximations or the error inherent in them, but to what happens when people forget approximations are not reality. Is that correct?
Re:Sex redefined: the idea of two sexes is simplistic by nickff on Thursday February 19, 2015 @02:28PM (#9076332)
The 'two-sexes approximation' is boolean, not binary. Boolean involves two possible values; binary involves an infinite number of possible values, represented in base-2.[1][2]

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary

Re:Sex redefined: the idea of two sexes is simplistic by quadratical on Thursday February 19, 2015 @02:37PM (#9076406)
Not to be pedantic, but binary is entirely correct in this context. We aren't talking about computer science. Binary means relating to, composed of, or involving two things.

Boolean is simply a binary variable, having two possible values: true and false.

Re:Sex redefined: the idea of two sexes is simplistic by pornel on Thursday February 19, 2015 @02:29PM (#9076340)
Yes, we should, because getting it wrong can ruin lives and even cause deaths.
Re:Sex redefined: the idea of two sexes is simplistic by Kalium on Thursday February 19, 2015 @02:37PM (#9076405)
When an approximation is confused for reality and policy formed, yes, the consequences can be very ugly. This must be avoided.

Does this mean approximations should not be used, or does it mean that one should be aware that the map is not the territory?

Re:Sex redefined: the idea of two sexes is simplistic by copsarebastards on Thursday February 19, 2015 @02:30PM (#9076353)
Can we agree that 70 million people is not a negligible number?
Re:Sex redefined: the idea of two sexes is simplistic by Kalium on Thursday February 19, 2015 @02:37PM (#9076410)
Depends on what you're dealing with and the significance of it. 70 million is not a significant number of atoms of most things, for instance.

The important question is the second one I posed. What is the acceptable level of error in an approximation?

Re:Sex redefined: the idea of two sexes is simplistic by copsarebastards on Thursday February 19, 2015 @03:05PM (#9076599)
> Depends on what you're dealing with

We're dealing with people.

> and the significance of it.

People are generally pretty significant. 70 million people is very significant.

> 70 million is not a significant number of atoms of most things, for instance.

70 million people is a pretty significant number of people.

> The important question is the second one I posed. What is the acceptable level of error in an approximation?

Since you seem to have mistaken my rhetorical question for an actual question, I'll restate it as a statement: 70 million people is not an acceptable level of error in an approximation.

Re:Sex redefined: the idea of two sexes is simplistic by Kalium on Thursday February 19, 2015 @03:13PM (#9076656)
OK. Then what is an acceptable level of error in approximation when dealing with people? 7 million, at a scale of billions? 7? 1?
Re:Sex redefined: the idea of two sexes is simplistic by copsarebastards on Thursday February 19, 2015 @03:58PM (#9076991)
I think an acceptable level of error in approximation in legal and scientific terms would be one where the error is not likely to affect people negatively according to shared values (a shared value might be: people shouldn't get beaten to death or commit suicide--both problems among atypically sexed people). That number is difficult to come up with: it would have to look at impact analysis to see whether programs can effectively help people. And as technology, social programs, and medicine become better, the margin of error would likely go down. I can't come up with that number exactly, but given that we've seen significant benefits from social programs for atypically sexed people in the last few decades, I think it's pretty clear that we can still provide more benefit.
Re:Sex redefined: the idea of two sexes is simplistic by Kalium on Thursday February 19, 2015 @04:38PM (#9077261)
In other words, your answer to the question is to say it's a problem when an approximation is confused for the reality and policy formed accordingly.

Is that a correct assessment of your position?

Re:Sex redefined: the idea of two sexes is simplistic by copsarebastards on Thursday February 19, 2015 @05:05PM (#9077409)
> Is that a correct assessment of your position?

That's a reasonable approximation, yes. :P