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Re:Banks Paid $32.6B in Bonuses Amid U.S. Bailout (2009) by crdoconnor on Monday February 09, 2015 @08:00AM (#9020907)
>the government actually made money on those loans (AFAIK).

Nope. Explanation here:

http://www.interfluidity.com/v2/2587.html

Cash is not king in financial markets. Risk is. The government bailed out major banks by assuming the downside risk of major banks when those risks were very large, for minimal compensation. In particular, the government 1) offered regulatory forbearance and tolerated generous valuations; 2) lent to financial institutions at or near risk-free interest rates against sketchy collateral (directly or via guarantee); 3) purchased preferred shares at modest dividend rates under TARP; 4) publicly certified the banks with stress tests and stated “no new Lehmans”. By these actions, the state assumed substantially all of the downside risk of the banking system. The market value of this risk-assumption by the government was more than the entire value of the major banks to their “private shareholders”. On commercial terms, the government paid for and ought to have owned several large banks lock, stock, and barrel. Instead, officials carefully engineered deals to avoid ownership and control.

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After assuming the banking system’s downside risk, the US government engineered a wide variety of favorable circumstances that helped banks “earn” their way back to quasi-health. The government provided famous and obvious transfers like unwinding AIG swaps at 100¢ on the dollar. It forced short-term yields to zero and created an environment in which medium-term interest rates would be capped for several years, granting banks a near-risk-free arbitrage for a while. It emitted trillions in excess reserves on which it continues to pay interest. It forewent investigations and prosecutions that by law it should actively pursue, and settled what enforcement it could not avoid for token fees. Then there are the things conspiracy theorists and cranks like me suspect but cannot prove: that the government and the Fed have been less than aggressive in minimizing their costs when they or entities they control (AIG, Fannie, Freddie) transact with large banks, that they have left money on the table where doing so could be hidden in arcane accounts or justified as ordinary transaction expenses and trading losses. Large banks have enjoyed some rather extraordinary results for allegedly efficient markets, quarters with large trading profits and no or very few losing days. Government housing policy is pretty overtly subject to a constraint that interventions must not provoke loss realizations for banks carrying bad loans at inflated values, or interfere with servicing revenues. (If you think I am overconspiratorial, I’m still waiting for an innocent explanation of this, from 1991.)

Re:Banks Paid $32.6B in Bonuses Amid U.S. Bailout (2009) by thanksgiving on Monday February 09, 2015 @08:06AM (#9020935)
Exactly! I'm sure I can find a place to park the money with a semi-decent growth rate for a few years if the US Government gave me a few billion dollars and told me to come up with a modest return at my leisure...
Re:Banks Paid $32.6B in Bonuses Amid U.S. Bailout (2009) by crdoconnor on Monday February 09, 2015 @08:10AM (#9020952)
Especially if I could use them to make a tails-they-lose-heads-I-win bet.
Re:Banks Paid $32.6B in Bonuses Amid U.S. Bailout (2009) by tomp on Monday February 09, 2015 @08:19AM (#9020977)
While it's true that banks continue to receive better-than-usual rates from the government, I don't entirely buy this reasoning. Firstly, the liquidity (i.e. "risk") is essentially free for the government/FED (printing money etc.). Secondly, I believe that if the government failed to act to prevent another depression, the loss would be far greater - if nothing else, there would be a huge loss associated with covering of the insured deposits if a commercial bank failed (which would be very likely if any big financial institution failed, because they are so intertwined).

I do think, however, that after having been "bailed out", a business should have a very high tax rate on profits (90 - 99%) for a number of years/decades.

Re:Banks Paid $32.6B in Bonuses Amid U.S. Bailout (2009) by srj on Monday February 09, 2015 @09:18AM (#9021207)
I don't believe making a profit was the government's intention. Stopping a credit freeze was. Would you have the US government behave as a payday loan lender? If not then what's your point?
Re:Banks Paid $32.6B in Bonuses Amid U.S. Bailout (2009) by tormeh on Monday February 09, 2015 @09:34AM (#9021292)
Why couldn't the government offer those loans directly to main street until the credit freeze subsided? Just take one of the worst banks, nationalize it when it goes bankrupt, sell everything except the lending branch and use it to lend to main street with printed QE money. Divide it into bits and sell it when economy looks good again.
Re:Banks Paid $32.6B in Bonuses Amid U.S. Bailout (2009) by crdoconnor on Monday February 09, 2015 @09:34AM (#9021296)
>Would you have the US government behave as a payday loan lender?

Yeah, towards the big banks I definitely would.