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Re:Firefox’s adoption of closed-source DRM breaks my heart (... by geofft on Sunday February 08, 2015 @03:16PM (#9018362)
The argument at hand is that Firefox shouldn't support it, not that W3C shouldn't. (The argument is conditioned on it having been spec'd and adopted by the W3C, and concerns what Firefox's response should be.) Is it more wrong for Firefox to support an open interface to proprietary plugins, than a proprietary interface to proprietary plugins (the "N" in "NPAPI" literally means Netscape; this is something they deployed unilaterally and other people copied)?
Re:Firefox’s adoption of closed-source DRM breaks my heart (... by nitrogen on Sunday February 08, 2015 @03:52PM (#9018513)
NPAPI plugin usage was already declining without the requirement for EME. Most people disabled or uninstalled Java, and Flash was only required for some video and animation sites. Game engine plugins will be replaced by WebGL+JS. Audio/video conferencing plugins can be replaced by WebRTC.

Historically, plugin use was much more widespread, and there were plugins for all kinds of things. You had to have a separate plugin for each of Video for Windows, RealAudio, Quicktime, Shockwave, Java, etc., and there were others for playing different media types like .mod, .xm, .it, displaying image formats, ...

The NPAPI interface was also standard enough that every browser supported it. So yes, it's "more wrong" to add a new interface to new proprietary plugins than it is to continue supporting a dying legacy interface to proprietary plugins. The NPAPI trajectory was downward, while EME's intended trajectory is upward.

Re:Firefox’s adoption of closed-source DRM breaks my heart (... by geofft on Sunday February 08, 2015 @04:32PM (#9018669)
> Most people disabled or uninstalled Java

I think this needs data. From my foot in the enterprise world, this doesn't seem even close to true; random SSL VPNs and the like require Java. If anything, most people are running an out-of-date version of Java because corporate IT hasn't approved the one that fixes ten exploits yet.

> and Flash was only required for some video and animation sites.

Due, largely, to (EME-free) HTML5 video and other HTML5 features. EME is not replacing HTML5 video, nor is anyone talking about using EME to replace Flash-played videos that weren't using DRM inside Flash.

There's a lot of implication running around that Flash is being replaced with EME video. It isn't. The vast majority of Flash is being replaced with non-EME HTML5 features. A fraction that was previously implementing DRM in Flash is now implementing DRM in EME.

NPAPI plugin usage, specifically Flash video, was going to continue to be a thing for Flash videos that were using DRM. (You could make the argument that these things would just drop DRM if it were too hard, but given how long Flash stuck around until there was a high-quality replacement that was objectively better than Flash from the content-publisher's side, it's a hard argument to make.)