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Re:How Houston Gets Along Without Zoning Laws by GuiA on Friday February 06, 2015 @08:29PM (#9012682)
For a few years, I dated a girl whose parents lived in Houston, so I got to spend some time there. Now as a European coming from a well developed city with millennia of history, I am rarely impressed by any US city, but man was Houston bad.

First of all, the city itself is huge and sprawling. Her parents lived in a nice suburb where all houses looked the same. You had to drive 10 minutes within the suburb on twisted roads with a 5mph speed limit to get out of it, at which point you'd be on the highway and had to drive at least another 5-10 minutes to get anywhere. Forget walking anywhere - without a car, you wouldn't go anywhere. The highways were quite shocking as well - I've never seen so many lanes on a single road, nor so many stretches of road going over and under each other. Perhaps my memory serves me poorly, but I remember exits with three or four layers of highways going all over one another.

I spent some time downtown, which was a bit better - they had a nice museum, some trees, and even a tramway to get around. Sadly, the downtown area was minuscule, and had no personality. Things emptied out early in the evenings - it was mostly businesses or day entertainment.

Overall, I hold a very poor memory of Houston and one could never pay me enough to live there. I hope for the US's sake that this is not the model of urban development they herald as the future, like the article implies.

Re:How Houston Gets Along Without Zoning Laws by zdean on Friday February 06, 2015 @10:40PM (#9012965)
Houston is approximately half the size of the state of Rhode Island (in sq. miles). It's big. So saying you're from Houston or that you went to Houston doesn't really communicate much.

I grew up there and live a couple of hours away. When I visit family, they're in the suburbs and I don't much enjoy the experience. However, I spend a good bit of my time "inside the Loop" where there is a vibrant and positive experience in progress (and has been for many decades). The area has world-class arts, food, entertainment, and (surprise!) geography. It's an incredibly international city with people from all over the world found throughout the city.

Yes, it's big and getting from one side of town to another sucks. But if you're inclined to explore what makes it interesting, there's plenty there to keep your attention.

Re:How Houston Gets Along Without Zoning Laws by chao- on Friday February 06, 2015 @11:36PM (#9013073)
Visual help for anyone who is really wondering about Houston's size: http://imgur.com/a/qjNLm

Honestly I'm slowly becoming one of those "Inside the Loop" people who treats anything outside of it as being in another city entirely.

"You're grabbing dinner in the Heights? I'll see you there."

"Lunch with you at City Center? I wish you told me last week. It takes like two days to get out there!"

Even though, depending on traffic patterns, those trips might be the same length.

Re:How Houston Gets Along Without Zoning Laws by saryant on Saturday February 07, 2015 @02:00AM (#9013325)
8 won't even be the outermost loop once 99 is completed.
Re:How Houston Gets Along Without Zoning Laws by Slartibreakfast on Friday February 06, 2015 @10:09PM (#9012920)
Houston's a tough and gritty place, but it's not without its charms. For instance, a lot of people don't know that Houston is the home of the largest medical center in the world - including M.D. Anderson, which is routinely ranked as the top cancer treatment center in America.

I know, I know, having been cured of cancer probably influences my opinion just a bit, but I think Houston's a pretty damned cool town :-)

I think every place has it's own charms, you just have to look for it - in some places you have to look harder than others, sure. I hated NYC the first year I lived there, and later came to really like it. But, I'm the kind of person who'd enjoy living in the Mojave just as much as I'd enjoy living in Manhattan - it's all good, and every day I'm breathing is a great day to appreciate wherever the hell I happen to be.

Re:How Houston Gets Along Without Zoning Laws by rsvihla on Sunday February 15, 2015 @04:01PM (#9054111)
Glad your doing better. We were there for TCH so I have a similar love of the place and I'm grateful for the care we received in the med center.

That said I'm not sure all of Houston is so tough and gritty, especially around the Med Center. If you drive North 2 minutes from the there the 300 acre Hermann park and the Museum District are both gorgeous.

Re:How Houston Gets Along Without Zoning Laws by jostmey on Friday February 06, 2015 @10:15PM (#9012929)
My wife calls Houston the Mecca of Medicine.
Re:How Houston Gets Along Without Zoning Laws by angersock on Friday February 06, 2015 @11:08PM (#9013015)
...which is fitting, given the number of nice visiting folks from oil-enriched nations we get. :)
Re:How Houston Gets Along Without Zoning Laws by rjdagost on Friday February 06, 2015 @10:17PM (#9012933)
Houston is definitely not a place with a lot of charm, it's a non-nonsense down to business city. It definitely would not be my choice if I were an urbanite. But, there are some important things Houston has going for it. It has a fantastic income to cost of living ratio, the best of any major city in America. There are a lot of high paying jobs and there is a lot of economic opportunity. It is a major center for technological innovation (though not of the sort that is hyped on HackerNews). The weather is quite pleasant 7 months per year. There are a lot of interesting museums. The Houston area is a good place to raise a family. To many people these things more than outweigh the lack of charm. Myself, I wouldn't care to live in such a big city but I can easily understand the appeal to those who do live there.
Re:How Houston Gets Along Without Zoning Laws by jostmey on Friday February 06, 2015 @09:02PM (#9012767)
I don't disagree with anything you've said about Houston---I feel the same way about Dallas. But I don't think the zoning laws or absence thereof has anything to do with the culture.

I'll always prefer a city with good mass transit and sidewalks over one with mega-highways.

Re:How Houston Gets Along Without Zoning Laws by chao- on Friday February 06, 2015 @11:18PM (#9013038)
Having lived in Dallas and Houston both, and recently, I don't feel either are more or less walkable than the other. Each is majority non-walkable. Each has 2 or 3 neighborhoods that you could call walkable. Locals from each can cherry pick among them to prove a point but compared to other truly walkable cities I've lived in (Tokyo, Seattle, Santiago), Dallas and Houston have a lot of catching up to do. Austin too.

Points for Dallas: DART is awesome. Houston is expanding and would do well to expand it to be able too reach its airports the way DART in Dallas does.

Points for Houston: The Bikeshare program is freaking huge and they're completely reworking the bus routes to realistic for the first time in ages. Dallas recently opened a Bikeshare.

But as with all things, your life is mostly local. Live in the right neighborhood in either, and you won't have to drive except for a few times a week. Live in the wrong neighborhoods in either, and get used to planning your evenings around traffic reports.

Re:How Houston Gets Along Without Zoning Laws by _delirium on Friday February 06, 2015 @11:25PM (#9013053)
> Live in the right neighborhood in either, and you won't have to drive except for a few times a week.

Part of the trouble with trying to arrange your life in that way in Houston (I've never lived in Dallas, so can't compare) is that most of the jobs aren't in places amenable to it. It's just about doable if you work downtown or in the medical center, but that's a minority of Houston-area jobs. At least when I lived there, it was also not where most of the engineering jobs were. The big concentration of oil & gas jobs, for example, are in the Westlake corridor. Another big cluster of engineering jobs are scattered in about a 5-mile radius of the Johnson Space Center, which is itself 25 miles from downtown. And huge numbers of jobs are in just random places off any given freeway: the 45, 10, etc. feeders are lined with office buildings going out every direction.

Re:How Houston Gets Along Without Zoning Laws by eropple on Friday February 06, 2015 @08:39PM (#9012713)
This is pretty much my impression of the city, too, as an American (though I'm from New England, so there's a segment of Houstonians who'd probably say I'm not an American). In a fit of incredulity I said something like "it's a three-hundred-thousand-lane highway and you just merge across it to get anywhere."

It's a soulless place, and I was glad to be rid of it as fast as I was able.

Re:How Houston Gets Along Without Zoning Laws by rsvihla on Sunday February 15, 2015 @03:58PM (#9054094)
Living in Houston is about as varied as an experience as you can imagine and different parts of town have wildly different density, walkability, sameness and yes soul (Montrose, Museum District just off the top of my head). It's like visiting New Jersey and saying NYC is soulless. Lay Houston + the suburbs you were probably in over the top of both and you'll see it's not a bold statement.

Most of the driving that people complain about are people that don't even have Houston addresses, it's a rare day I drive more than 5 miles, and none of the houses in my neighborhood are the same.

Re:How Houston Gets Along Without Zoning Laws by stephenhuey on Saturday February 07, 2015 @12:44AM (#9013214)
I love New England. I'm an urbanite and briefly had the pleasure of living in Boston. I love walking through ancient streets in Europe, Turkey, and other lands. I'm not a fan of the lack of walkability of Houston and some other things, but one of my chief joys in living here has not been old historic areas (which we hardly have) but rather the amazing mix of people who make the city such an interesting place. I often want to be somewhere else in the world but since I can't always be gone I frequently thank God for bringing the world to Houston! With over 90 languages spoken here it's now the most diverse city in the country, so I can assure you there's plenty of soul!
Re:How Houston Gets Along Without Zoning Laws by Goronmon on Friday February 06, 2015 @08:51PM (#9012740)
Your impression lines up pretty closely with mine. My strongest memory of my time in Houston is how much driving we did to get places.
Re:How Houston Gets Along Without Zoning Laws by avn2109 on Saturday February 07, 2015 @12:46AM (#9013215)
>> "I hope for the US's sake that this is not the model of urban development they herald as the future..."

It is indeed the model of the future. This fact makes me as an American very sad sometimes.

Re:How Houston Gets Along Without Zoning Laws by fnordfnordfnord on Friday February 06, 2015 @10:01PM (#9012901)
Lived in Houston for a number of years. You ain't wrong. http://imgur.com/gallery/TYfGrIY
Re:How Houston Gets Along Without Zoning Laws by angersock on Friday February 06, 2015 @11:09PM (#9013020)
I love that picture. Living in Texas, and especially Houston, it's kind of hilarious whenever you hear people get excited about highways. It's like, "Oh, you folks just figured out how to have a three-deck interchange...that's cool I guess...?"
Re:How Houston Gets Along Without Zoning Laws by elliptic on Friday February 06, 2015 @10:32PM (#9012955)
"Now as a European coming from a well developed city with millennia of history, I am rarely impressed by any US city, but man was Houston bad"

Europeans are just so charming, aren't they?

Re:How Houston Gets Along Without Zoning Laws by girvo on Friday February 06, 2015 @10:47PM (#9012982)
I'm not European, but I'm the first to admit that a place with a Millenia of history to explore is more interesting than 100 years worth...
Re:How Houston Gets Along Without Zoning Laws by Slartibreakfast on Friday February 06, 2015 @10:54PM (#9012993)
Millenia of History? Hell, that ain't nothin' - we got us a Millenium Falcon!