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Re:Techies Who Are Homeschooling Their Kids by hga on Thursday February 05, 2015 @08:06AM (#9002994)
This was a theme of Heinlein's 1958 Have Space Suit, Will Travel (which among other things accurately tells you what you need to learn to get into MIT and CalTech, and how polite the latter's rejection letter is, which I can attest to :-).

Even going back to his first juvenile in 1947, Rocket Ship Galileo, the scientist protagonist is very surprised at how well educated in science, math and engineering are the group of high school students he falls in with.

And he wrote rather a lot on this elsewhere, e.g. comparing what he, his father and his grandfather were taught. The rot has been going on for a long time. One book traces it back to the Unitarians capturing Harvard from the Congregationalists in the 1810-20 period, I use the 1930 when phonics were successfully attacked. That we're still arguing that, 50 years after the publication of Why Johnny Can't Read, tells us just about all we need to know about the US educational establishment.

Re:Techies Who Are Homeschooling Their Kids by marktangotango on Thursday February 05, 2015 @08:47AM (#9003180)
Nice perspective, Heinleins juveniles were VERY influential on me as pre-teen/teen. Plus my father shared the same outlook, that I was responsible for my education. I later came to understand that I had been indoctrinated with Libertarianism, unwittingly, and had to adjust my beliefs somewhat as an adult.
Re:Techies Who Are Homeschooling Their Kids by eropple on Thursday February 05, 2015 @09:55AM (#9003483)
Libertarianism, at least big-L, doesn't quite fit Heinlein, I think. He isn't part of the deranged maximal-freedom thing that we now see in the libertarian movement and the ancaps that are running under that banner and he regularly espouses a socially aware, love-thy-neighbor attitude through his characters.

Heinlein always seems to have realized that, in a world with limited elbow room and the ability to fail very hard, government is both inescapable and actually valuable--and beyond the "blind arbiter of contracts" that you hear out of the libertarian bucket. I liked how Spider Robinson put it (although the article it comes from[1] is kind of fawning):

a man who bitterly opposes military conscription, supports consensual sexual freedom and women's ownership of their bellies, delights in unconventional marriage customs, champions massive expenditures for scientific research, suggests radical experiments in government; and; has written with apparent approval of anarchists, communists, socialists, technocrats, limited-franchise-republicans, emperors and empresses, capitalists, dictators, thieves, whores, charlatans and even career civil servants.

I'm not a libertarian (because I don't believe the strong should rule the weak, and I don't think Heinlein does either) and it's hard to find anything that in principle I can't be cool with.

[1] - http://www.heinleinsociety.org/rah/works/articles/rahrahrah....

Re:Techies Who Are Homeschooling Their Kids by hga on Thursday February 05, 2015 @09:01AM (#9003239)
Heinlein explicitly wrote those books to teach us what he thought we needed to know to get out into space, including attitudes like libertarianism (small l, I believe, because you can't really pigeonhole him).

And, yeah, they were very influential on me as well, and the experiences of life also prompted me to adjust some of those beliefs. But that's a pretty normal thing, I think.