Play framework for Java - a radical rethink of Java web app development?

Re:Play framework for Java - a radical rethink of Java web a... by modoc on Friday October 23, 2009 @03:04PM (#899415)

Interesting. I mostly build J2EE apps and sticky sessions support is built in. Complex apps require a fair bit of session state (user profile, shopping cart, custom catalog, breadcrumbs, user promos, etc...) in general and the idea of having to persist and reload that data over a network (db or memcached) for each request would absolutely kill page response times. I guess it depends on how heavy the session data is for your app.

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Re:Play framework for Java - a radical rethink of Java web a... by modoc on Friday October 23, 2009 @04:43PM (#899587)

jshen: sticky sessions make it a non-issue. Sites I work on run on 3-100 server clusters with each server handling a few thousand active sessions.

I know memcached is very fast. However it's at least an order of magnitude, or more, slower than in memory lookups. Given how simple sticky sessions are I guess I'm not sure why you'd want to incur the overhead of re-buildling your state via external network calls and object serialization/marshalling/etc... for every request, and doing it all backwards at the end of every request.

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Re:Play framework for Java - a radical rethink of Java web a... by simonw on Friday October 23, 2009 @07:34PM (#899819)

I'm quite surprised - I've never even considered building a stateful web app that doesn't talk to a database or caching layer at all for most requests. It's fascinating to me how different the approaches taken in the Java world are from the LAMP world I'm accustomed to.

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Re:Play framework for Java - a radical rethink of Java web a... by modoc on Saturday October 24, 2009 @04:11PM (#900888)

From the Java world, that seems odd:) Scaling your DB and/or caching layer is a lot harder than scaling sticky session based app instance with minimal db interaction.

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Re:Play framework for Java - a radical rethink of Java web a... by jshen on Friday October 23, 2009 @04:23PM (#899557)

how long do you believe it takes to grab data out of memcached? I'll bet it's a lot faster than you think.

Of course, if you keep that state in memory then you are fucked when you need more than one web app server to handle the load.

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