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Re:Layoff Underway at IBM by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @05:05PM (#8993763)
Wait. I'm confused: was cringeley right or wrong?
Re:Layoff Underway at IBM by x0x0 on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @05:18PM (#8993861)
Well, here's what we know:

Cringely claims 100k people

IBM claims low thousands (at a cost of $0.6B, which seems quite high) [1]

ieee says Alliance@IBM, an ibm union, claims they know of 5k jobs eliminated; they further say they're seeing a flood of backdoor layoffs, ie sudden bad reviews

My guess is in 6 months, Cringely was more right than wrong. Or at least we see an employment reduction of tens of thousands.

[1] http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0KZ1WF20150126?irpc...

Re:Layoff Underway at IBM by jobu on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @05:52PM (#8994074)
Based on what the article states, the sudden bad reviews are particularly evil for many older employees. In order to bypass previous layoffs, many agreed to a specific retirement date and reduced pay/hours until that date.

The catch was they had to maintain a yearly review rating that was better than 3. Once they get that bad review it appears all that goes out the window, no job, no severance, no retirement benefits.

If this is all true, and is consistent for thousands of people, then IBM may have a class action lawsuit against them for wrongful termination.

Re:Layoff Underway at IBM by smackfu on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @05:26PM (#8993928)
>IBM claims low thousands (at a cost of $0.6B, which seems quite high)

If you pay 6 months severance, it adds up quickly. A million dollars covers only 20 $100k employees.

Re:Layoff Underway at IBM by rgovind on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @07:02PM (#8994443)
What is the reason companies pay a severance? Most jobs are hire or fire anytime right?

Is the reason only lawsuits and good will?

Re:Layoff Underway at IBM by johan_larson on Wednesday February 04, 2015 @05:59AM (#8996217)
I put this same question to my brother, an executive in a small business recently. His answer was lawsuits. Some people take dismissals hard even when they are done for the best of reasons. It just makes sense to offer a modest severance package that settles the matter up front rather than risking the time and expense of vindictive legal action.
Re:Layoff Underway at IBM by msumpter on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @08:06PM (#8994704)
It's a good time for the company to attach various nondisclosure, noncompete, non disparagement clause(s) and they mark the severance pay as consideration. These agreements typically only hold up if there is commensurate consideration attached to them. This of course varies by state and local laws if they hold up at all.
Re:Layoff Underway at IBM by x0x0 on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @09:01PM (#8994912)
IBM has been repeatedly sued, sometimes successfully, for age discrimination, so you can bet that severance package requires agreeing not to sue for age discrimination.

see, eg, http://www.cookbrown.com/docuserfiles/file/Spring%20Newslett...

Re:Layoff Underway at IBM by beedogs on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @07:56PM (#8994669)
Some American companies apparently have yet to figure out you can fuck over your employees even more by not paying severance. IBM's clearly behind the curve on this trend.
Re:Layoff Underway at IBM by yourapostasy on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @10:12PM (#8995118)
Very unfortunately not the case. I didn't know the following could happen until the story was related to me this week by someone I know.

Apparently a tactic used by companies acquiring other companies is to re-negotiate severance policies with employees. As in zero out time in the old company. This is difficult for average employees to detect in the dense legalese, and it is an extremely convenient way to rid the new owners of employees that fall on the wrong side of the most desired age bracket.

The person this happened to was with the original company for a little over 20 years, the new merged company for three, and only got credit for two years (one year "probationary" period before severance starts counting) when the axe fell last month (not IBM).

Re:Layoff Underway at IBM by beedogs on Wednesday February 04, 2015 @01:16AM (#8995581)
Jesus. When the company I worked for (here in Australia) was subsumed by another, all the contracts were renegotiated specifically to include our years spent at the old company. Going in the opposite direction is pretty awful.
Re:Layoff Underway at IBM by rodgerd on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @07:41PM (#8994609)
IBM US has unionized employees. In much of the rest of the Western world you don't get to just sack people on a whim.
Re:Layoff Underway at IBM by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @07:43PM (#8994619)
Is that actually true? I've never heard of a IBM union for tech employees. Is Alliance for programmers? Are they officially unionized? It seems ambiguous from their about statement [1]:

> Alliance@IBM/CWA Local 1701 is an IBM employee organization that is dedicated to preserving and improving our rights and benefits at IBM. We also strive towards restoring management's respect for the individual and the value we bring to the company as employees. Our mission is to make our voice heard with IBM management, shareholders, government and the media. While our ultimate goal is collective bargaining rights with IBM, we will build our union now and challenge IBM on the many issues facing employees from off-shoring and job security to working conditions and company policy.

There is WARN to consider, which is why they can't just do mass layoffs without lots of notice.

[1] http://endicottalliance.org/aboutmembership.htm

Re:Layoff Underway at IBM by Nelson69 on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @06:26PM (#8994280)
That's also ignoring insurance and various other costs..
Re:Layoff Underway at IBM by vuldin on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @05:19PM (#8993874)
So far he hasn't been way off the mark from what I can see, although that isn't stopping people from aiming their pitchforks at him. I guess they don't want him to be right or something?
Re:Layoff Underway at IBM by fnordfnordfnord on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @11:36PM (#8995325)
People love to hate the messenger.
Re:Layoff Underway at IBM by smackfu on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @05:17PM (#8993854)
As far as anyone can tell, dead wrong, but then there are still headlines about "massive worldwide layoffs." Not that 5000 is a small number, but IBM is a large company.