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Re:I have no idea what I'm doing by JoeAltmaier on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @02:30PM (#8992685)
That denies conscious thought to me. You can ask me why I do something. Go ask the beaver, see what it says.
Re:I have no idea what I'm doing by increment_i on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @06:02PM (#8994127)
Is verbally relating the reason why one does something a prerequisite to conscious thought? Dams don't get built by beavers all over the world by sheer random chance - there's obviously some deliberate intention there. Its also possible they observe and learn this process from their family members:

"When young are born, they spend their first month in the lodge and their mother is the primary caretaker while their father maintains the territory. In the time after they leave the lodge for the first time, yearlings will help their parents build food caches in the fall and repair dams and lodges." (Source: Wikipedia)

Re:I have no idea what I'm doing by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday February 04, 2015 @09:43AM (#8997015)
Beaver compulsively place sticks in piles near water until they don't hear the water falling any more. Nothing to do with intent.
Re:I have no idea what I'm doing by increment_i on Wednesday February 04, 2015 @06:09PM (#9000685)
Can we say compulsion is completely different from intent though? Or are we just arguing over semantics? Can we place an arbitrary intelligence threshold on when compulsion can be inferred as intent?

For instance, most spiders build webs, and it would seem they do it by no other mechanism than pure genetic instinct. However, there don't seem to be any external 'cues' as to when the web is finished (in contrast to the water falling cue we assume beavers use). The spider builds the web until it's done building the web. Did the spider intend to build a web, or was it compelled to?

Re:I have no idea what I'm doing by hawleyal on Wednesday February 04, 2015 @03:43PM (#8999613)
Does the fact you can communicate why you think do something mean you could have changed your decision?