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Re:Evolving Java Without Changing the Language by axod on Wednesday October 21, 2009 @06:39PM (#895798)
Well, agree to disagree :) I've used a fair number of languages, and don't really understand the java hate. There's far uglier languages to look at. But then I love writing in assembly - which some feel overwhelmed with.

Personally it seems like some programmers at some point dislike being restrained by anything and become slightly high and mighty about the whole subject - the whole "Unless you use lisp, you can't understand why lisp is the best language" BS.

Why is "var X"-type syntax better? Why does that create better code :/ Sorry, I don't buy it. "var X" would be less precise, and less useful than specifying the explicit type you want.

FWIW, I just checked for fun my own comet server written in Java against tornado (Python). Very similar functionality, except the Java one is a smaller codebase. It's as verbose as you want it to be.

Re:Evolving Java Without Changing the Language by eru on Wednesday October 21, 2009 @07:14PM (#895857)
> "Unless you use lisp, you can't understand why lisp is the best language"

Of course we all know that Lisp is just a semi-imperative hack. Real programmers use something more pure like Clean or Haskell nowadays.

Anyway, I just wanted to applaud you two for the civility ouf your discourse. It was an informative read.