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Re:The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan by Crito on Wednesday January 21, 2015 @02:51PM (#8925219)
> "I've actually had arguments with people who believe drunk driving is the fault of "the system" for not making transit instant and free for everyone."

"Fault" is a concept that I believes always lies with the person who is actually committing the crime, but I think the general idea isn't outlandish.

Say I've got a problem of drunks leaving the bars at night and pissing on the sidewalk. I can make it illegal, arrest anyone who does it, and when the complaints continue to roll in I can point out you can't make people not break the law. It is nobody's fault but their own, surely I cannot be responsible for another man's bladder.

Alternatively I can recognize the futile nature of attempting to correct this behavior with laws alone, and do something like install public toilets in problem areas.

Designing a society to accommodate people such that they are less likely to break the law does not mean that I am assuming responsibility for their actions, nor assigning fault to myself when people break the law.

Re:The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan by Kalium on Wednesday January 21, 2015 @03:05PM (#8925341)
This particular person believed that going out and getting drunk was a basic human right, and that having to be responsible for your own transportation infringed on that right. Less of the pragmatic concessions and more of the bizarre notions of fault.