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Re:Extracting the abstract syntax tree from GCC by dalke on Monday January 19, 2015 @11:57AM (#8912726)
"if you take code, you must give back code."

That's not the intention. It's a forward mechanism, not a backwards one. If you distribute code to person/company/entity X then you must also distribute the source code, or provide a way for X to get the source code.

If you make changes but never distribute the code then you don't need to distribute your modified code to anyone. If you only provide a service then you don't need distribute the code to anyone. Even if you modify gcc, sell me a copy, and distribute the changed source code to me, that doesn't mean you or I need to give the changes back to the gcc project.

The "fear", as I understand it, is that the Linux kernel and gcc are the two biggest GPL-based projects. If gcc is diminished, then fewer people will be aware of, much less agree with or advance, the ideals of software freedom. The technical advantages of gcc are used as marketing for software freedom.

Hiding GNU projects behind commercial and proprietary solutions front-ends reduces the marketing. Hence also the issue about "GNU/Linux" as "Linux" diminishes the marketing of the GNU project.

Re:Extracting the abstract syntax tree from GCC by falcolas on Monday January 19, 2015 @12:40PM (#8912916)
While incidentally true and pursuant to his real goal, I don't believe this is his ultimate goal. His goal is, and always has been, to make sure that you as the user of the software built upon his work, are always capable of opening it up and looking under the hood, and making adjustments as you see fit.

Throw a proprietory module on the end which relies on his work but gets around the GPL, and you've lost that right. That's not acceptable to him.

Re:Extracting the abstract syntax tree from GCC by dalke on Monday January 19, 2015 @01:21PM (#8913140)
I believe you've just restated what I wrote.

Quoting from the Free Software Definition page at https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html :

> You should also have the freedom to make modifications and use them privately in your own work or play, without even mentioning that they exist. If you do publish your changes, you should not be required to notify anyone in particular, or in any particular way.

There is nothing that obligates giving back code. Rather, that obligation is against the four freedoms of the free software. Hence, "if you take code, you must give back code" is not, as jordigh understood, one of rms's intentions.

Re:Extracting the abstract syntax tree from GCC by falcolas on Monday January 19, 2015 @01:28PM (#8913174)
True! Sorry, I was responding mostly to this phrase:

> If gcc is diminished, then fewer people will be aware of, much less agree with or advance, the ideals of software freedom. The technical advantages of gcc are used as marketing for software freedom.