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Re:I Owe It All to Community College by markdown on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @04:04PM (#8889035)
OT:

> irregardless

regardless is fine.

Re:I Owe It All to Community College by sneak on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @07:03PM (#8890063)
> and wish this was true.

*were

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjunctive_mood

Re:I Owe It All to Community College by pervycreeper on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @07:48PM (#8890228)
Using the conditional mood that way is common in American English. Hardly a strict error.
Re:I Owe It All to Community College by dfar1 on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @09:18PM (#8890539)
When expressing a wish, use "were".
Re:I Owe It All to Community College by dllthomas on Thursday January 15, 2015 @04:02AM (#8891551)
Re:I Owe It All to Community College by ehrman on Thursday January 15, 2015 @11:42AM (#8893492)
Blame his professors.
Re:I Owe It All to Community College by benihana on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @04:18PM (#8889143)
so is irregardless.

Can I ask why you take the time to correct someone when it was perfectly clear what the intent of the sentence was?

Re:I Owe It All to Community College by markdown on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @06:31PM (#8889905)
I live in a post-colonial country where English is the official language but 90% of the population have another language as their mother-tongue.

There is therefore a lot of "broken" english spoken, and I guess I'm just used to correcting people (and being corrected myself).

Irregardless is one of those words that is becoming OK to say just because so many people use it.

Language adapts and therefore English is descriptive rather than prescriptive, but I'd prefer if the opposite were true.

A statement in a programming language means the same regardless of the education-level, ethnicity, or social status of the reader. I wish the same were true for English.

Instead we have nonsense like Biweekly, which may refer to an event that occurs either twice weekly or once every two weeks. Why should it mean the latter when we have fortnightly for that?

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Anyway, I like to correct people (in as polite a manner as possible) because I like being corrected myself.

Re:I Owe It All to Community College by resu_nimda on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @06:58PM (#8890037)
A statement in a programming language means the same regardless of the education-level, ethnicity, or social status of the reader. I wish the same were true for English.

That would make English very boring and dry. What of poetry and evocative prose? Natural languages and programming languages serve very different purposes, despite their similarities.

Natural languages, since their inception, have been subjective reflections of people, emotions, cultures, points in time. What you wish for isn't even possible, due to the fact that different people will always have the potential to interpret things differently, based on their genetic predispositions and life experiences.

If we tried to make languages more prescriptive, we wouldn't end up with some golden era where everybody communicates amazingly with each other, it would be more like 1984 where the potential for creativity and emotional expressivity has been largely diminished.

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Edit: I do understand the point, and of course I try to use words "properly" most of the time. There is a difference between inventing new constructs and usages in order to express something, and just simply being "wrong." E.g. mixing up "your" and "you're" is a pretty cut-and-dried error. But, at the end of the day, all the rules are totally subjectively made up, and their only true purpose is to make it easier for people to understand each other, so if you can accomplish that, the rules don't actually matter.

Re:I Owe It All to Community College by markdown on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @08:10PM (#8890318)
I think we agree with each other. Words like "ain't" entering the common lexicon (usually in spoken english) is fine by me ie. Words formed out of contractions of other words/phrases, or entirely new inventions.

What I mostly get riled up about are words or phrases that are just plain wrong, but that have been used so widely that some dictionaries have accepted them as correct.

Eg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw

Re:I Owe It All to Community College by dhimes on Thursday January 15, 2015 @08:58AM (#8892463)
"Enormity" is one of those words. It used to be strictly "horrible," conveying a sense of wickedness, and to use it as a synonym for "enormousness" was glaringly wrong. But the mistake was so common, even among journalists and writers, that that it has gained acceptance in at least one English dictionary.
Re:I Owe It All to Community College by maximuscoolimus on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @07:00PM (#8890050)
Brush him off.

As a foreigner I feel the same about English and its declining quality of grammar on the web

Re:I Owe It All to Community College by tacotime on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @08:36PM (#8890398)
I think it's just an evolution. Not every experiment is successful.
Re:I Owe It All to Community College by mtVessel on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @08:15PM (#8890335)
Biweekly means every two weeks. Semiweekly means twice a week. (Fortnightly doesn't mean anything outside of the Commonwealth.)

Please keep (politely) correcting people. It's only us against the hordes!

Re:I Owe It All to Community College by jejones3141 on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @09:37PM (#8890591)
OTOH, were it not for bad Latin speakers, we wouldn't have the Romance languages. A John Simon/William Safire of the era is an important source of data on their development--he wrote a list of proper Latin terms and the corresponding words in the bad Latin he was seeing and/or hearing. Dang it, it's not caballus, it's equus!
Re:I Owe It All to Community College by mtVessel on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @10:34PM (#8890757)
So you're saying that when I correct someone publicly, I'm not being an insufferable pedant, I'm contemporaneously documenting usage for future linguists!

Ooh, I'm gonna get so much mileage out of that one.

Re:I Owe It All to Community College by jacalata on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @10:47PM (#8890790)
> Biweekly means every two weeks.

Since when, exactly? http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/18553?rskey=7qC25f&result=2#ei...

Re:I Owe It All to Community College by mtVessel on Thursday January 15, 2015 @12:52PM (#8894078)
Hmm. Guess I should have looked it up before posting. Serves me right for not being more bi-curious.
Re:I Owe It All to Community College by thedufer on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @11:40PM (#8890909)
While it has meant both every two weeks and twice a week for a long time, this is an interesting case where convincing people otherwise would pretty clearly improve our language. Even the page you linked to implies this:

> The ambiguous usage is confusing, and might be avoided by the use of semi-

Re:I Owe It All to Community College by merrua on Thursday January 15, 2015 @05:15AM (#8891748)
> Fortnightly doesn't mean anything outside of the Commonwealth

Really? I live and learn. I thought that was commonplace.

Re:I Owe It All to Community College by teh_klev on Thursday January 15, 2015 @07:26AM (#8892148)
In the spirit the correctness and accuracy, which Commonwealth? :)
Re:I Owe It All to Community College by mtVessel on Thursday January 15, 2015 @12:48PM (#8894041)
Point taken. Um...the one(s) where a 'fortnight' is still a thing?
Re:I Owe It All to Community College by tacotime on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @08:33PM (#8890389)
"Irregardless is one of those words that is becoming OK to say just because so many people use it."

...literally describes our ENTIRE language. It's kinda what language is... I know "kinda" isn't officially a word yet but I like it and I'm guessing you know my intended meaning.

Re:I Owe It All to Community College by icebraining on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @05:32PM (#8889603)
As a non-native speaker, I like when people correct me; it makes me sad to see them downvoted. On the other hand, it could be argued that since I already write well enough to be understood, I should disregard further improvements, but I just can't agree with that.
Re:I Owe It All to Community College by rifung on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @06:05PM (#8889769)
Why wouldn't you want to help the person improve his/her English?
Re:I Owe It All to Community College by cbd1984 on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @07:24PM (#8890143)
Because it isn't an improvement, much like how getting someone who spells it 'color' to spell the word 'colour' or vice-versa.
Re:I Owe It All to Community College by vacri on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @07:54PM (#8890257)
'colo[u]r' is merely a spelling difference. 'irregardless' is a double-negative to some people, and not to others. It's an ambiguous word.
Re:I Owe It All to Community College by cbd1984 on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @11:56PM (#8890954)
"Irregardless" isn't ambiguous, either. Everyone knows what it means. The debate is over whether it should be in the language, in a moral sense, which is different.
Re:I Owe It All to Community College by vacri on Thursday January 15, 2015 @04:10AM (#8891574)
No, everyone doesn't 'know what it means', not without additional mental parsing. Myself, among many others, read it first as a double-negative, then have to double-take it and reinterpret it. Irrespective, irreducable, irrecoverable, irreconcilable, irrelevant, irreligious, irrefutable - irregardless stands out like a sore thumb.

Or should I say 'irreinterpret it'? After all, you would 'know what I meant' if I wrote that.

Ambiguity is fine if you're writing for poetic effect, but if you're trying to get a point across, it should be minimised.

Re:I Owe It All to Community College by DanBC on Thursday January 15, 2015 @06:22AM (#8891927)
Wait, are you really sYing that when you see "irregardless" that your first response is not "that's an error and they mean regardless[1]" but "they mean regardless but negated so regard but that doesn't make sense so they actually mean regardless"?

[1] why not irregard instead of regardless?

Re:I Owe It All to Community College by vacri on Thursday January 15, 2015 @01:36PM (#8894406)
"that's an error and they mean regardless" = "additional mental parsing"
Re:I Owe It All to Community College by bane on Thursday January 15, 2015 @10:06AM (#8892789)
Yet astonishingly you are one of the people who knew what it meant.

Also, most English dialects don't strictly follow double-negation rules. I know this drives non-native speakers crazy, but you'll get over it with enough practice.

Re:I Owe It All to Community College by vacri on Thursday January 15, 2015 @01:41PM (#8894445)
I think you missed my point - perhaps you should irreinterpret my comment.
Re:I Owe It All to Community College by thizzbuzz on Thursday January 15, 2015 @06:19AM (#8891916)
It stands out because "regardless" and "irregardless" are adverbs, while the others you listed are all adjectives.

And it does fit the pattern of negating the root morpheme.

Re:I Owe It All to Community College by rofl1234 on Thursday January 15, 2015 @10:46AM (#8893089)
Everybody knows that it means not (not in regard).
Re:I Owe It All to Community College by jdnier on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @04:56PM (#8889403)