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Re:Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts pr... by tim333 on Tuesday January 13, 2015 @10:14AM (#8880309)
>However, conditions of extreme unemployment... Islam isn't the cause of terrorism

I think underestimates the influence of the founders. Jesus mostly preached to turn the other cheek and didn't kill anyone.

Here is a list of people killed by Muhammed http://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Suppor...

It goes on a bit and the sources vary in their authority but overall impression is pretty pro violence.

Most of the 911 guys were well off Saudis who felt they were following the teachings. Obviously you can interpret the founders of a religion in different way and most Muslims are peaceful but it's hard to understand what's going on if you ignore that stuff.

Re:Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts pr... by dragonwriter on Tuesday January 13, 2015 @11:34AM (#8880817)
> Jesus mostly preached to turn the other cheek and didn't kill anyone.

And yet from the time it achieved the kind of power in any society from which to exert substantial influence well into the modern period, Christians were killing people -- in other countries, in their own countries, etc. -- in the name of Christ all the time. The Crusades (and not just the ones in the "Holy Land" and/or targeting Muslims) were a thing. The Inquisition was a thing. Europe's Wars of Religion were a thing. There is a reason the word "pogrom" exists.

The modern Western concept of freedom of religion isn't a direct product of some religious parallel to the Ruby's community's maxim "Matz Is Nice And So We Are Nice", its a product of the exhaustion of Western European Christians after more than a millenium of killings -- not least of all of Western European Christians by Western European Christians -- in the name of Christ.

The idea that Christianity is somehow inherently more peaceful than Islam requires ignoring pretty much the entirety of the history of Christianity.

Re:Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts pr... by tim333 on Tuesday January 13, 2015 @11:52AM (#8880950)
I agree basically. Christians have killed plenty of people as have atheists. Though with slightly different rationals oftentimes.
Re:Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts pr... by btilly on Tuesday January 13, 2015 @10:27AM (#8880385)
That list is worth looking at in light of recent events. Not only because of how many are ordered killed, but because of how many are ordered killed because of poetry mocking Muhammed.

Any muslim who kills a satirist who mocked islam has pretty good grounds to be saying that their actions are in line with what Mohammed would have done!

Re:Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts pr... by tim333 on Tuesday January 13, 2015 @11:37AM (#8880844)
Yeah, I think you'll find most people who get called terrorists think they are on the side of good and in the case of Islamists, doing the work of Allah. Not that Christians and atheists are immune to killing people for what they think is a good cause. Indeed probably majority of the killings in the last century have been of that nature.