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Re:Someone else had your idea first by baddox on Thursday January 08, 2015 @06:13PM (#8859672)
> I think part of the reason that people ask this question as a way of putting founders down is that they assume that startups are zero sum. That's an assumption born in certain models of markets, but it's completely wrong when looking at startups.

Which models of markets? As far as I knew, one of the fundamental points of modeling markets is that they aren't zero-sum.

Re:Someone else had your idea first by tjradcliffe on Thursday January 08, 2015 @10:36PM (#8860605)
Mature, well-developed markets are close to zero-sum. Think Wall-Mart or McDonald's mature: niches where there are old, aggressive, amazingly well-optimized players, generally two or three in number, who occupy the landscape so completely that for one to grow the rest are probably going to have to shrink.

It isn't a perfect zero-sum, and even in those markets companies are always looking for new ground to colonize, but it's close enough that to first order it makes sense to analyze things in zero-sum terms.

And it's also the antithesis of start-ups in most cases, which are frequently attempting to create new markets where none existed by serving needs that no one knew they had.

Re:Someone else had your idea first by baddox on Friday January 09, 2015 @01:47PM (#8863641)
I don't think your example is at all zero-sum, because the overall size of the economy can and generally does grow, and thus even the most well-entrenched markets like discount department stores or fast food can and do grow. Perhaps it's true that a market with a few well-optimized firms, each of which can't increase their market share without taking it from another firm, but even then, the market size can grow.