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Re:Someone else had your idea first by jacobolus on Thursday January 08, 2015 @05:20PM (#8859406)
The thing that’s annoying about the question is that it’s phrased in an inherently adversarial way, putting the answerer on the defensive, amping up the stress of an already stressful context and encouraging aggressive blustery responses.

I’m neither a startup founder nor a VC, but I’ve found that in similar contexts (dates, interviews, public debates, private arguments, etc.) this sometimes serves to score points with some external audience, but is almost never the most productive way to advance a conversation that both parties are trying to learn something from.

The goal of a VC isn’t to “win” in a contest against the founder here. The goal is for each side to learn what the other side has to offer and critically evaluate whether a deal makes sense, or whether there are other connections that can be made.

I’ve known a small handful of people who ask aggressive questions like this as a deliberate test to see what the other person will do and are then very savvy about parsing responses and seeing through anxiety/bravado/etc. But this is a very difficult skill to master, and such tests should be used carefully and sparingly.

Most of the people I know who ask this kind of question are just in it because they enjoy aggressive adversarial conversations, even when it’s not at all in their own interest.

Re:Someone else had your idea first by tjradcliffe on Thursday January 08, 2015 @10:45PM (#8860639)
I agree the question can be asked in ways that are less productive than they might be, but the general approach of, "How is this different from what's already out there?" is always a good one. It lets you know a) if they know what's already out there and b) if they've done a reasonable analysis of it's weaknesses/issues and c) if they have a realistic sense of what specific pain-points their approach will address.

I've avoided a lot of bad investments based on entrepreneurs who answer variants of this question with something like, "Well, they suck and we don't." This answer violates the Law of Common Humanity ("We are pretty much like Them"), which rarely bodes well for the product or the company.

Re:Someone else had your idea first by danieltillett on Friday January 09, 2015 @06:03AM (#8861680)
Of course it adversarial. The average VC is in a intellectually weak position whenever they speak to a founder for the first time. The founder has thought about their problem for months, maybe even years, while the average VC might never have thought about it. Suddenly they are faced with responding to the founder and in a manner that allows them to control future negotiations. If they are average they will try to control the situation with aggressive questions that attempt to throw the founder off guard. In this sort of tactic they have far more experience than most founders.
Re:Someone else had your idea first by jcr on Thursday January 08, 2015 @08:35PM (#8860235)
Do you think your opinion on the question as being "aggressive" or "adversarial" is a matter of personal experience?

I see the question as both direct and deep. It's a good way to pry open the problem/market space, think about what has been done or is being done by competitors, and consider/query the "new" approach to the "old" problem. If you know your market, it's an easy question to answer. In fact, it's a fun question to answer -- it's not every day that you the luxury of a smart and trained person assisting you with the endless task of prying open and evaluating your problem/market space.

If you consider the question to be aggressive, adversarial, and intended to be harmful, then answering it becomes more difficult, particularly if you're unprepared. On the other hand, if you consider the question to be simply direct, deep, and intended to be helpful, then answering it is much easier.

Re:Someone else had your idea first by jacobolus on Thursday January 08, 2015 @11:39PM (#8860789)
It obviously depends a lot on tone of voice, context of the relationship between the two people, etc. I just know that I’ve occasionally showed something new to someone, or announced I was working on something, and their immediate response was along the lines of “oh, I saw that years ago when X did the same thing” or “Y tried that and it didn’t work out” or “doesn’t everyone already use Z’s version of that?” with a dismissive or aggressive sort of tone.

It’s the same kind of framing of a conversation you get as when an idea is met with “oh, that’s physically/technically impossible” or “that’s way too expensive to possibly work” or “what kind of crazy customer do you think would ever want that?”

Trying to understand how a new idea or product relates to existing stuff is obviously a useful topic of discussion, but depending whether it’s phrased/expressed inquisitively or aggressively could make a big difference. Something like the title of the post under discussion – “someone else had your idea first” – is one of the less productive ways to phrase things, IMO.

Personally, I love answering these kinds of questions and can easily be sent either into passionate “prove why I’m right” mode or passionate “let’s look at this logically/scientifically” mode. But I also know plenty of folks who I think would be great startup founders who respond very defensively or get shut down when they feel attacked.

The problem here is that while the VC might be thinking “The question begs for a deeper answer, [...] an opportunity to demonstrate depth of thought and originality.” what is also happening is that someone who doesn’t thrive on aggressive adversarial conversations will be weeded out, even though they might be great at all kinds of other things, and might be able to express their ideas very well in a less adversarial context. I dunno, I’m not an expert on startup psychology. Maybe the only people who make good startup founders love this style of conversation.