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Re:Notes on Red Star OS 3.0 by drzaiusapelord on Thursday January 08, 2015 @12:35PM (#8857555)
Interesting how even China, given its wealth, has given up on building its own OS and chip infrastructure. The much touted Red Flag linux running the Godson/Loongson chip never really materialized. They're using Microsoft products on Intel/AMD instead.

Is a national OS such a non-trivial problem? Interesting how autocratic regimes and their citizens often attack the US on every level, but are happily running US developed software/processors and using US discovered patents on a very important level. I suspect this is further proof that autocracies simply can't compete with capitalistic democracies regardless of the propaganda they believe.

Re:Notes on Red Star OS 3.0 by com2kid on Thursday January 08, 2015 @02:42PM (#8858430)
> Interesting how even China, given its wealth, has given up on building its own OS and chip infrastructure.

I wouldn't say that. I would say that the Chinese Government has allowed the free market to take over this task. Take a look at http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/chinese-arm-soc-mediatek... all high quality ARM SOCs from Chinese suppliers.

Likewise, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIUI is a fork of Android that reportedly runs faster than Google's stock shell. (I have seen an old version in action on Android 2.2, it was fast, really fast, from what I have read newer versions are just as zippy) Xiaomi has also built up a complete separate (successful!) ecosystem outside Google's, something that Amazon has tried and failed to do.

In another few years you are going to have a Chinese controlled mobile OS being used throughout the Asia Pacific region, running on hardware designed by Chinese companies.

Re:Notes on Red Star OS 3.0 by drzaiusapelord on Thursday January 08, 2015 @03:18PM (#8858673)
ARM isn't Chinese IP. Its not theirs, its licensed from ARM Holdings which is a UK company.

Android is a American open source project. That's not chinese either and they sure as hell can't just get off Windows for Android, yet, if ever. They need a usable desktop OS.

No one is doubting their ability to copy and refine in a limited fashion, but their homegrown attempts have all been massive failures.

Re:Notes on Red Star OS 3.0 by com2kid on Thursday January 08, 2015 @05:51PM (#8859564)
> ARM isn't Chinese IP. Its not theirs, its licensed from ARM Holdings which is a UK company.

The CPU is only one very small part of a chipset. The overall SoC is far more important.

And of course any company that has an Architectural Licence just has to make something that is compatible with ARM. (Although I don't see any of the lower cost SoC manufactures doing this anytime soon!)

Re:Notes on Red Star OS 3.0 by briandh on Thursday January 08, 2015 @05:16PM (#8859371)
That article is off-base; MediaTek, which is probably the most advanced of those listed, is Taiwanese.
Re:Notes on Red Star OS 3.0 by ethbro on Thursday January 08, 2015 @12:48PM (#8857655)
I think this is more about economic policy and less about government representation. It's hard to get more capitalistic cutthroat than the OS or high-end semiconductor industries.

And I'd imagine a majority of it is a consequence of the head start. If China had started development of both even in 1981, and sheltered their internal market from our product -- well, it probably would have turned out a lot like the Soviets, viz inability to maintain computational parity. But they would have something more complex.

Good luck developing an entire ecosystem now (ARM aside, but that's mostly due to Wintel's blindless on where mobile was going).

Re:Notes on Red Star OS 3.0 by SkyMarshal on Thursday January 08, 2015 @01:04PM (#8857762)
OS and chip infrastructure are two different beasts. Chip infrastructure much more difficult to recreate, even the Intel's best competitors can't keep up with their process tech and design capabilities.

But OS and software? I'm surprised the Chinese govt hasn't just cloned Ubuntu and reskinned it, then mandated the entire country convert to it. I suppose the main problem is, as with everywhere else, too much required enterprise software that is Windows-only.

Re:Notes on Red Star OS 3.0 by duaneb on Thursday January 08, 2015 @02:32PM (#8858364)
Bingo—I bet they have a lot of money sunk into Windows. They'd have to replace that software before investing in linux on the OS front.
Re:Notes on Red Star OS 3.0 by ethbro on Thursday January 08, 2015 @12:52PM (#8857684)
Also, hilarious side point: what happens if an autocratic regime customizes Linux/*BSD and ignores their open source licensing obligations?
Re:Notes on Red Star OS 3.0 by jewel on Thursday January 08, 2015 @01:16PM (#8857854)
Open source licenses are enforced by functioning copyright laws. When a country hasn't agreed to the Berne Convention, they don't have any legal requirement to follow the open source license.

If it's legal to copy music in the company, it's likely also legal to copy open-source software.

Re:Notes on Red Star OS 3.0 by Igglyboo on Thursday January 08, 2015 @01:13PM (#8857833)
Nothing?