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Re:Business guys: how my first startup went wrong by keeptrying on Friday October 16, 2009 @12:00PM (#885620)
I deal with a lot business guys at my day job (20+). In 6 years I've only known 1 that I would actually go into business with myself.

I have a feeling that since there really isnt any pressure to quantify their work (at the lower levels), most of them dont measure their own performance and stay at the same mediocre level.

Re:Business guys: how my first startup went wrong by pxlpshr on Friday October 16, 2009 @12:11PM (#885636)
This is just a perception bias in my opinion. I'll give you an example:

I've dealt with a lot of programmers in the past 10 years. Only a handful would I work with again, and even fewer I would employ to work in a high-paced startup. In my last startup, an expensive over-designed technology stack was our downfall. The business guy turned the company around, secured us two licensing deals, and additional bridge funding.

The point is: there are just as many egocentric, know-nothing programmers as there are douche bag business guys. It really has nothing to do with each others job description, it's just a matter of talent, ambition, persistence, etc. etc.

Attracting the right talent for the team is difficult, select wisely and try not to demonize the opposite party.

Re:Business guys: how my first startup went wrong by keeptrying on Friday October 16, 2009 @01:43PM (#885813)
True I do get your point. And its also possible that I'm in the wrong team. There are other business people outside of my team who I really respect. Another thing you have to understand is that my company makes a lot of money so it might be a different environment than others. Ie business always looks good as we always get sales because of our great business model.
Re:Business guys: how my first startup went wrong by apu on Friday October 16, 2009 @01:31PM (#885777)
Re:Business guys: how my first startup went wrong by maukdaddy on Friday October 16, 2009 @04:22PM (#886104)
Thank you putting this more eloquently than I have been able to. You are 100% correct.
Re:Business guys: how my first startup went wrong by deyan on Friday October 16, 2009 @01:13PM (#885751)
thank you, finally someone who says stuff that makes sense.
Re:Business guys: how my first startup went wrong by notauser on Friday October 16, 2009 @12:08PM (#885632)
That's true of a lot of people in every profession though. We all know bad programmers who last read a book in 1992.

I'd be surprised if the ratio of bad:good:great was very different in any field.