Re:How Can an Aircraft Disappear Over the Ocean?
by peteratt on Saturday January 03, 2015 @02:40PM
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It blows my mind that I can turn on my phone, go to some mapping app and get more accurate and frequent position updates than a commercial airplane. It's just absurd.
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Re:How Can an Aircraft Disappear Over the Ocean?
by jarek on Saturday January 03, 2015 @03:07PM
(#8831804)
With GPS, the hard part isn't figuring out where you are, it's telling the rest of the world where you are.
Re:How Can an Aircraft Disappear Over the Ocean?
by UhUhUhUh on Saturday January 03, 2015 @03:56PM
(#8831973)
A lat/long position is about 50 bits. Talk about serious bandwidth...
Re:How Can an Aircraft Disappear Over the Ocean?
by sambeau on Saturday January 03, 2015 @04:11PM
(#8832014)
Oceans are huge. Where do you send those 50 bits if you are 1000s of miles from anywhere?
Re:How Can an Aircraft Disappear Over the Ocean?
by jordanthoms on Saturday January 03, 2015 @04:31PM
(#8832065)
Satellite. The so-called cost concerns are just stupid, if I can afford a satellite phone airlines can afford to report 50 bits to satellite every 30 seconds.
Re:How Can an Aircraft Disappear Over the Ocean?
by TeMPOraL on Saturday January 03, 2015 @05:13PM
(#8832219)
With a little bit of trickery you could even easily cut that by half (e.g. drop the first few significant digits because the general area you're flying through can be assumed to be known, etc.).
Re:How Can an Aircraft Disappear Over the Ocean?
by UnoriginalGuy on Saturday January 03, 2015 @07:31PM
(#8832659)
Eww. So now the entire system depends on database matches back at home to work at all (since positions are relative, not absolute) and you have to test and engineer it significantly more to look for possible problems caused by hacking it this way.
Just eww. That's a terrible idea. Just spend the extra bits and save the headache of over-engineering it and then trying to fix all the problems you'll inherently create.
Re:How Can an Aircraft Disappear Over the Ocean?
by TeMPOraL on Sunday January 04, 2015 @06:17AM
(#8834097)
Yeah, I know. But the point is, it's few dozen bits every other minute - airlines, come on, Iridium can't be that expensive.
Re:How Can an Aircraft Disappear Over the Ocean?
by wglb on Saturday January 03, 2015 @04:09PM
(#8832004)
Right.
And if they don't hear you or you don't hear them, any non-zero bandwidth is a non-contact.
Re:How Can an Aircraft Disappear Over the Ocean?
by kalyan02 on Saturday January 03, 2015 @03:34PM
(#8831900)
The phone itself is not capable of receiving the aircraft broadcasts/transmissions as they are sent at very specific radio frequency. All of what you see is actually being aggregated by a remote server from a number of receivers across the world that are capable of reading such radio frequencies, and transmitted to your device simply using Internet/3G/Network over HTTP/HTTPS.
Re:How Can an Aircraft Disappear Over the Ocean?
by wglb on Saturday January 03, 2015 @02:42PM
(#8831737)
Certainly. However, if you are here https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mariana+Trench+National+Wi... how would you communicate that to the rest of the world? That is the harder part.