Re:Clojure 2014 Year in Review
by seanmcdirmid on Friday January 02, 2015 @06:41PM
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Do you have any numbers on Clojure vs. Scala adoption? The Clojure community is definitely vocal, but Scala has made a lot of successes also, and at this level of marketshare, it is difficult to say if they are equal, or if adoption is off by an order of magnitude. Scala in particular has done well in the systems community, oddly enough.
Re:Clojure 2014 Year in Review
by destructaball on Friday January 02, 2015 @07:20PM
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Anecdotally, I've been applying for jobs using Scala and Clojure in Australasia and Europe and the Scala jobs seem more numerous and far better paid
Re:Clojure 2014 Year in Review
by mikerichards on Friday January 02, 2015 @07:23PM
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I don't have any numbers, but given the relative youth of Clojure vs Scala, and the adoption that Clojure is getting, I'd say that the trajectory is pretty much on Clojure's side.
And this is coming from someone that isn't particularly keen on s-expressions or dynamic typing. Like I said in my first comment, I'm pretty much amazed at the adoption of Clojure by some mainstream companies.
Re:Clojure 2014 Year in Review
by mikerichards on Friday January 02, 2015 @07:33PM
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Sean, I don't think that's really fair to either Scala or Clojure though. Yeah, both of their numbers are small potatoes next to Java or C#, but not insignicant...as in last week there was 4 Clojure users and now there's 16..OMG there's been a 400% jump!.
Re:Clojure 2014 Year in Review
by seanmcdirmid on Friday January 02, 2015 @07:38PM
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We are talking about adoption rates between Scala and Clojure. When Scala was a few years old, I am arguing that its adoption rate was similar to what Clojure is experiencing today. So looking at the "current trajectory" doesn't tell the whole story. It is adoption over the long term that will tell us who has won (or is winning) the language wars.
The xkcd cartoon is obviously exaggerated satire.
Re:Clojure 2014 Year in Review
by seanmcdirmid on Friday January 02, 2015 @07:30PM
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Well, there is always http://xkcd.com/605/
When your base is high, adoption trajectories are pretty high, but level off fairly quickly. We still need a few years to tell what is actually going on.
Re:Clojure 2014 Year in Review
by seanmcdirmid on Friday January 02, 2015 @10:00PM
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"base is high" should be "base is low". Trajectories level off over time.
What I meant was is there a significant portion of corporate decision makers that don't look at OO as the default programming methodology, than say 10 years ago?
I'm actually pretty surprised at the uptake of Clojure, especially compared to Scala, which would intuitively be the next language for corporate adoption on the JVM.
I think there are many developers and decision makers that are looking for simplicity now.