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Re:Bad luck, bad journalism and cancer rates by termostaatti on Friday January 02, 2015 @05:05PM (#8828828)
Naturally the way one lives has an impact whether potentially he/she will get cancer. Smoking, drinking, eating certain types of food (manufactured wrong) etc. all have direct relation on cancer. It's never just luck who happens to get these horrible diseases.
Re:Bad luck, bad journalism and cancer rates by jleader on Friday January 02, 2015 @09:19PM (#8829664)
Some of my friends get this argument all the time from their less mathematical business-manager bosses. "Sure, probability applies to playing cards, they're random, but it doesn't apply to business_process_X, because there things happen for reasons!" (I've even heard "sure, probability applies to baseball players, but it doesn't apply to website visitors"!)

Pretty much everything that we use probability to model has underlying causes and reasons, if we could only detect and measure them (at least until you get down to quantum mechanics), but probability can still be a useful way to model problems where either we don't fully understand the underlying causes, or the underlying causes are just too complicated and tangled to directly model.

Re:Bad luck, bad journalism and cancer rates by DanBC on Saturday January 03, 2015 @04:28AM (#8830327)
Did you bother to read the articles?

There are over 200 different types of cancer. Not all of these are caused by contact with carcinogens. So, for these cancers it's pretty much "luck" whether you get them or not. Not smoking; sensible drinking; etc will not prevet you from getting them.

Re:Bad luck, bad journalism and cancer rates by hueving on Friday January 02, 2015 @05:08PM (#8828842)
Please provide evidence when you say these kinds of things. Causation is rarely as intuitive as you would like to believe.
Re:Bad luck, bad journalism and cancer rates by TheSpiceIsLife on Friday January 02, 2015 @07:01PM (#8829268)
I think that's a bit unfair. Sure, we can play semantics and claim it's technically incorrect to say "smoking causes cancer" because if it did everyone who smokes would get cancer, and that isn't the case.

However, we are aware of quite a few known, and many probable, carcinogens.[1][2] Among women, breast cancer comprises 60% of alcohol-attributable cancers.[3] And to support the claim that certain foods, when prepared in certain ways, can become carcinogenic take a look at the research on Heterocyclic amines,[4] and acrylamide.[5]

1. http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/g...

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IARC_Group_1_carcinogen...

3. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.21903/abstrac...

4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterocyclic_amine#Heterocyclic...

5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylamide#Toxicity_and_carcino...

Re:Bad luck, bad journalism and cancer rates by IndianAstronaut on Friday January 02, 2015 @05:21PM (#8828903)
Waiting for a strong causal link, especially when there is a high level of statistical relationships, can mean we might be waiting too long to take serious action.

If repeated studies show strong associations, like say between cigarettes and cancer, it would make sense to take some steps to prevent the potential cause.

Re:Bad luck, bad journalism and cancer rates by termostaatti on Friday January 02, 2015 @05:20PM (#8828898)
Well, carcinogen is one those things that has been known for decades causing cancer. And yes, human-being can make the difference whether they have those unnatural carcinogens or not.
Re:Bad luck, bad journalism and cancer rates by michaelhoffman on Friday January 02, 2015 @05:29PM (#8828930)
There are plenty of "natural" carcinogens too. Avoiding carcinogens may reduce your cancer risk, restricting yourself to things that are "natural" won't.