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Re:Immigration to increase the supply of programmers by kasey_junk on Friday January 02, 2015 @02:18PM (#8828051)
Citation needed for this. The New York metro area has more than 2x the population of the Bay Area and an extremely diverse economic base. That makes claims about availability of choice being limited in NYC in comparison to SF pretty hard to believe.
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Re:Immigration to increase the supply of programmers by encoderer on Friday January 02, 2015 @03:03PM (#8828237)
The population of the metro area has nothing to do with it, it's about concentration of the industry. Acting is similar. There are more acting jobs in Hollywood than NYC.

I've seen many studies of tech hiring/jobs across the country. I'm sure you can find any research you're looking for.

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Re:Immigration to increase the supply of programmers by kasey_junk on Friday January 02, 2015 @03:24PM (#8828343)
The OES does not agree (neither does dice.com's numbers fwiw):

http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_41860.htm#15-0000 http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_35620.htm#15-0000

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Re:Immigration to increase the supply of programmers by encoderer on Friday January 02, 2015 @03:38PM (#8828405)
You're missing 1/2. You have to also add San Jose-Sunnyvale-Cupertino, etc.

Edit: Also, counting the total headcount of ppl writing code in the area is not a measure of how many choices you have in the job market.

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Re:Immigration to increase the supply of programmers by kasey_junk on Friday January 02, 2015 @03:50PM (#8828465)
For completeness: http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_41940.htm#15-0000

Still doesn't get you into more choice than NYC.

If you don't want to use head count (and I agree there is nuance), what do you want to use? Thus my citation needed request.

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Re:Immigration to increase the supply of programmers by encoderer on Friday January 02, 2015 @08:14PM (#8829523)
It's certainly a hard thing to measure. I'm approaching this both anecdotally and, I believe, logically.

The vast majority of software developers work in IT departments writing line-of-business applications in Java, .Net, etc. Certainly NYC has a vast number of these jobs. But these roles are all very similar. You're working as a cost-center, in a supporting role, for people who ultimately don't care about software. This is true whether you're a developer for Pfizer or Jet Blue or NBC Universal or any of the other companies based in

I really find the hollywood analogy apt. Yes, you can certainly find work as an actor in NYC. But the epicenter of the industry is in Hollywood.

Anyway, happy new year!

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