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Re:Two-year-old Nexus 4 issue status changed to obsolete by slg on Thursday January 01, 2015 @06:10AM (#8822634)
Let's not overreact. This is a bug report on an outdated phone and outdated operating system in a use case that will likely only be experienced by a very small subset of users. Should Google fix this? Probably. But that does't mean that not fixing it is a sign of fundamental problems with Google, the mobile industry, or consumer culture in general.
Re:Two-year-old Nexus 4 issue status changed to obsolete by stinos on Thursday January 01, 2015 @06:37AM (#8822677)
Yes maybe I am overreacting, but doesn't the simple fact a phone is considered outdated prove something is fundamentally wrong with mobile consumer 'I must have the latest' culture? There are enough electronics and other branches in which 2 years is merely a fraction of the lifespan of the device or product, and it would be unseen if the company would end support for it that soon.
Re:Two-year-old Nexus 4 issue status changed to obsolete by slg on Thursday January 01, 2015 @06:58AM (#8822709)
Sure, I expect my stereo, dishwasher, iron, dryer, electric shaver, alarm clock, and blender to work for more than two years. But how many of those devices would receive an update (or recall) to fix a bug that prevents the use of a single minor feature?

Your Nexus 4 doesn't stop working when it stops receiving updates. The closing of this bug doesn't mean your phone is less functional than it was yesterday. You are free to continue using the Nexus 4 tomorrow exactly as you have been for the last two years. This decision only means that Google is moving on to more pressing issues that either affect more users or have a bigger impact on their bottom line.

Re:Two-year-old Nexus 4 issue status changed to obsolete by danieldk on Thursday January 01, 2015 @09:03AM (#8822931)
Sure, I expect my stereo, dishwasher, iron, dryer, electric shaver, alarm clock, and blender to work for more than two years. But how many of those devices would receive an update (or recall) to fix a bug that prevents the use of a single minor feature?

But we are not talking about such devices. We are talking about something that is nearly a general purpose computer and could have its software updated on millions of devices any time Google wants.

The problem is that there is an incentive for vendors to start ignoring devices when they are not sold anymore. First of all, it reduces maintenance costs. Secondly, it encourages people to buy a new device. However, one could question if this ethical in a time where there is scarcity and where we have to care for the environment. Especially for a device that is still perfectly capable (as I said in another comment, this is a device that is better spec'ed than the currently massively popular Moto G).

It's a bit unfair to pick on Google here, since they are at least providing Lollipop. There are many other two year-old phones that are still stuck on Jellybean. But I think that in general it is an issue that should concern us. I am hoping that at some point the EU will require vendors to provide at least security updates for some period (e.g. three years).

Re:Two-year-old Nexus 4 issue status changed to obsolete by cesarb on Thursday January 01, 2015 @08:03AM (#8822813)
> Your Nexus 4 doesn't stop working when it stops receiving updates.

That would be the case if it were an isolated gadget. But a smartphone is a networked gadget; if it stops being updated while the world around it doesn't, it will gradually lose functionality. This could be seen in Ars Technica's long review of every Android version (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/06/building-android-a-40...).

As an hypothetical example, imagine what if your phone could use only SSLv2, SSLv3, and optionally TLSv1, using a SSLv2-compatible handshake (this is the case with Windows XP, for instance), and a new TLS 1.3 were released which forbids servers from accepting SSLv2 handshakes (this is seriously being considered by the TLS standard developers). As servers upgrade to the new standard, your phone would lose the ability to connect to them.

And that's without considering security vulnerabilities. As time passes, more security vulnerabilities which affect your old phone are discovered and published, and without updates these vulnerabilities won't get fixed.

Re:Two-year-old Nexus 4 issue status changed to obsolete by danieldk on Thursday January 01, 2015 @08:54AM (#8822915)
An outdated phone, that is still faster than e.g. Moto Gs that many people got as a Christmas present a week ago. I think it is a sign of fundamental problems with consumer culture if a two years old device that is perfectly capable and probably still used by hundreds of thousands or millions of people is considered obsolete.
Re:Two-year-old Nexus 4 issue status changed to obsolete by joesmo on Thursday January 01, 2015 @11:01AM (#8823243)
Neither the phone nor the OS are obsolete as they're both in use and capable of easily matching any phone released today as far as functionality. Obsolete would be a phone that cannot run current applications due to hardware or software issues or whose functionality is far inferior (like having a VGA camera or similar), neither of which is the case here. It's not a sign of fundamental problems with Google supporting their own products, it's just another example amongst many.
Re:Two-year-old Nexus 4 issue status changed to obsolete by krschultz on Thursday January 01, 2015 @11:15AM (#8823294)
Does the bug still happen on Android 5.x? That is now available for the Nexus 4.
Re:Two-year-old Nexus 4 issue status changed to obsolete by reedlaw on Thursday January 01, 2015 @06:21AM (#8822650)
Skype is a fairly popular application that is nearly unusable on this device because of the echo. I haven't had any of the other issues such as camera reboot. And I'm able to run the latest Android release. Overall I'm pleased with the phone except for this one issue.