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Re:Why Sweden Has So Few Road Deaths by tomohawk on Wednesday December 31, 2014 @02:54PM (#8820812)
I'm acquainted with a civil engineer who worked in the FHWA for several decades.

He spent a big chunk of that time trying to convince government agencies to build roads with pavement that had a better coefficient of friction. See for example

http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/roadway_dept/pavement/pavement_fr...

He estimated that they could reduce deaths considerably with more appropriate pavement.

In many cases, states refused to even allow pavement friction tests to occur, as they didn't want to be on the hook for paying for improvements if the tests showed poor friction. Also, requiring better friction would disallow certain road materials, which would adversely affect certain very large politically connected contractors.

In Europe, they take this much more seriously. The Germans have started using a concrete pavement that is both better for friction and is quiet.

It's interesting that if a government builds a substandard road that leads to people losing their lives, it doesn't seem to be a big deal, but if a car manufacturer produces a car that leads to a much smaller number of people dying, then it is.

Re:Why Sweden Has So Few Road Deaths by furrysheep on Thursday January 01, 2015 @03:38AM (#8822454)
If anyone else was really confused by the use of 'pavement' in this article it turns out that in American English pavement refers to the road surface. In English pavement refers to what Americans refer to as sidewalks.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_surface

Re:Why Sweden Has So Few Road Deaths by jacquesm on Wednesday December 31, 2014 @04:11PM (#8821106)
In NL we use this: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeer_Open_Asfalt

It's super good if you have lots of rain (the rain sinks right away under the road surface) but it is prone to frost damage. Super quiet and great in the rain though, the difference is incredible when you switch from ZOAB to regular asphalt or the other way around.

Re:Why Sweden Has So Few Road Deaths by ominous_prime on Wednesday December 31, 2014 @05:30PM (#8821397)
I remember tests of a similar asphalt near me in the NE US. In the spring we had black banks of it all along the road, where it was scraped off by snowplows over the winter. What's left was packed with sand.
Re:Why Sweden Has So Few Road Deaths by seanp2k2 on Wednesday December 31, 2014 @04:23PM (#8821148)
Interesting; I've always wondered about how different road surfaces affect grip, and how that affects accidents. It'd be interesting to see a study on traffic accidents on similarly-trafficked roads with similar speed limits where the surface is different.

It's also interesting but sad that many people don't even care enough to learn + practice super basic car maintenance as it pertains to safety equipment. I wonder how many accidents would prevented if everyone fixed their tyre inflation (there is a label on the driver's-side door frame, usually by where your butt or foot passes when stepping into the vehicle) and ensured they had well-performing brakes (a small mirror usually lets you see how much brake pad you have left, assuming you have 4-wheel disc, though the fronts are more important anyway).

Smog-testing is a thing, maybe we should have brake distance testing as well?

Re:Why Sweden Has So Few Road Deaths by ptaipale on Wednesday December 31, 2014 @04:37PM (#8821215)
With "we" you presumably mean the U.S. Don't you have a roadworthiness test, something like the MOT test of UK?

Without digging up statistics, I'd say technical failures of vehicles are not a very common primary reason for fatal accidents in West Europe. Bad tyres surely are sometimes a contributing factor.

Re:Why Sweden Has So Few Road Deaths by akgerber on Wednesday December 31, 2014 @04:51PM (#8821272)
A few states have a roadworthiness test. Most states don't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_inspection_in_the_Unite...

It's partially a social justice issue, as we've managed to build up much of our country in such a way that walking and public transport are geometrically impractical, so poor people would be trapped at home if we banned them from driving the ill-maintained car they're barely able to afford to own and unable to afford to maintain.

Re:Why Sweden Has So Few Road Deaths by afarrell on Wednesday December 31, 2014 @10:16PM (#8822026)
This is one of the reasons I'm excited about self-driving public transit vans. Of course, we'll have to figure out ways to keep women from being assaulted in them if they serve routes where 0-2 occupants is a common load.
Re:Why Sweden Has So Few Road Deaths by ptaipale on Thursday January 01, 2015 @03:15AM (#8822439)
Wouldn't those self-driving public transport vans be rather exposed to vandalism in deprived areas? And it's not just women who need protection from assault. I expect that in most countries, a majority of victims of violence are men.
Re:Why Sweden Has So Few Road Deaths by justin66 on Wednesday December 31, 2014 @05:45PM (#8821436)
We have emissions testing only in the state of Ohio, and I don't think that's unusual. That ends up being a bit of a general maintenance test as well, as a car cannot pass if it has any current OBD-II errors at all.

It's only done every two years, however.

Re:Why Sweden Has So Few Road Deaths by ptaipale on Thursday January 01, 2015 @10:52AM (#8823218)
That helps, although an OBD-II readout does not see some essential risks, like bad tyres, or even some critical break failures.

It is interesting, though, that road safety and risks to other people in traffic are not a big enough thing to trump the social justice angle (right of poor people to drive), but the environment card (emissions) is.

Re:Why Sweden Has So Few Road Deaths by justin66 on Thursday January 01, 2015 @03:04PM (#8824073)
I've never heard it discussed by anyone that a badly maintained car is a danger to anyone other than its occupants. I only very infrequently hear the "social justice angle" being discussed. If people gave a damn about that we'd have better public transportation.

There is a weird logic to all this. Air quality makes a noticeable improvement in everyone's lives and, paradoxically, driving is so phenomenally dangerous and so unavoidable that people don't worry about the very minor factors like the one in twenty who isn't paying attention to their brake pads when assessing that risk.

It might be that the high-pitched squeal built into brake pads to notify people of impending doom is actually doing its job, though.

Re:Why Sweden Has So Few Road Deaths by ptaipale on Friday January 02, 2015 @11:44AM (#8827401)
> I've never heard it discussed by anyone that a badly maintained car is a danger to anyone other than its occupants.

That is surprising, because it should be fairly obvious that if a car has brake failure, it could be lethal to anyone who happens to be in its path. Same goes with catastrophic failures of the steering system, although those are perhaps even more rare.