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Re:“Why you should not use Uber (the car ride brokering comp... by rando3826 on Monday December 29, 2014 @06:33PM (#8812432)
First off, that's not what he said. Secondly, lots of smart people have been talking about the need for basic income when robots take over large portions of the labor force. I'm personally unconvinced that it will create mass unemployment, but I don't call it crazy.
Re:“Why you should not use Uber (the car ride brokering comp... by cjbprime on Monday December 29, 2014 @06:38PM (#8812466)
> First off, that's not what he said.

Can you elaborate on the divide between his claim and my interpretation, operating under the extremely obvious assumption that the world is not switching to universal basic income tomorrow? I honestly don't see it.

For the record, I also advocate strongly for basic income. But I don't think that robots taking jobs leads to particularly poor outcomes. For example! Driving a car 17 hours a day (or at all!), as described in the Uber article, is a needlessly dangerous activity for a human to be performing.

Re:“Why you should not use Uber (the car ride brokering comp... by ewzimm on Tuesday December 30, 2014 @04:37PM (#8816876)
Basic income was included to show that removing jobs is not necessarily bad, but it can have immediate negative effects. This is just an instance of consolidating wealth. It is moving a system which distributes wealth to many taxi drivers into a system which distributes wealth to a few people who run Uber. When there's no system in place to correct this imbalance, it contributes to the wealth gap between rich and poor which is accelerating in many other ways. When we see a massive shift of resources to just a few people, it leaves everyone worse off, even the wealthy ones, because we all have to live in a world in which more people are more disempowered and desperate. He just didn't go into detail because he likes short statements.
Re:“Why you should not use Uber (the car ride brokering comp... by dllthomas on Tuesday December 30, 2014 @01:44AM (#8813619)
"operating under the extremely obvious assumption that the world is not switching to universal basic income tomorrow"

Uber is not automating its fleet tomorrow, either.

Re:“Why you should not use Uber (the car ride brokering comp... by gnaritas on Monday December 29, 2014 @06:59PM (#8812551)
> I'm personally unconvinced that it will create mass unemployment, but I don't call it crazy.

Why? It's quite inevitable that it will, unlike all previous eras, there won't be new jobs for humans because it's human thinking that's going to be automated. Robots destroy jobs, that's a fact; sometimes, that creates new jobs, but it's usually always far less jobs for far more skilled humans and that pattern is and must come to an end. Jobs that require smarter humans don't work for the vast majority of barely capable humans that exist.

Mass unemployment is coming, the masses aren't capable of knowledge jobs and labor jobs are being taken over by machines, what other possible outcome do you see?

Re:“Why you should not use Uber (the car ride brokering comp... by jsprogrammer on Monday December 29, 2014 @07:42PM (#8812696)
Why are the 'masses' not capable of knowledge jobs?
Re:“Why you should not use Uber (the car ride brokering comp... by delucain on Monday December 29, 2014 @08:18PM (#8812810)
Currently, they certainly are not. Our education systems (non-higher education) are largely designed to produce good workers for a manufacturing/labor economy that we're (relatively) quickly automating out of existence. And our higher education systems are being "dumbed down" to handle the influx of students not capable of handling the old curriculum.

Anecdotally, most of my extended family couldn't write a line of code if their lives depended on it; nor could they design a serious science experiment or write a novel. They aren't trained for those things, and that training has to start young or come with serious motivation, time, and effort. Not one of those people have any interest in learning those things.

I think it's possible to have a knowledge based economy, but we would have to drastically redesign our education systems and our culture in ways that I find it hard to even imagine how we would do so.

But, I think it's only a matter of time before we gain more skill in writing programs that automate out even the most complex knowledge based jobs. Watson is already showing the potential to be a better doctor than any human. The program named "Emily Howell" can already write symphonies that pass whatever the musical version of the Turing Test is. How long before we apply those things to all the other knowledge based jobs? What'll be left? More automation and maintenance programmers? How many of those will we even need?

Re:“Why you should not use Uber (the car ride brokering comp... by cb18 on Monday December 29, 2014 @09:17PM (#8812964)
Why are the 'masses' not capable of knowledge jobs?

If you accept that certain jobs[1] to be performed at a worthwhile level require a certain degree of general intelligence, or at the very least, the vast majority of people performing certain jobs have a measurable general intelligence above a certain level, and you accept that things like general intelligence, height, and other observable, measurable phenotypic traits of a species occur on a more or less normal('bell-curve') distribution, two things that are pretty much taken as a given outside the PC deluded, "I love me some outrage!," "Wow, just wow." crowd, then there is your answer. Is it not?

You might think you're doing good for the world by saying 'everyone is equally capable,' but you'll probably have more success in doing good for the world by understanding the world as it presents itself upon clear-eyed observation.

[1]"Software is an IQ business." -Bill Gates

Re:“Why you should not use Uber (the car ride brokering comp... by jsprogrammer on Monday December 29, 2014 @10:49PM (#8813228)
I guess the question is then, "What is General Intelligence?"

It's a question that CS has struggled with for decades and I haven't heard anyone give a compelling definition, certainly not one that could be tested with any confidence.

Re:“Why you should not use Uber (the car ride brokering comp... by cb18 on Monday December 29, 2014 @11:41PM (#8813366)
What? I'm not sure why you invoke CS(by which I assume you mean Computer Science,) I wasn't refering to artificial general intelligence, which could be said to fall under the domain of CS.[1]

I was refering to the 'general intelligence' that is an attribute of human beings, what iq tests measure basically.[2][3]

It is a matter that has undergone much study since the early 20th century, and there is indeed agreement on what it is among those who study it.[4]

certainly not one that could be tested with any confidence.

Why so certain? It can indeed be tested and has been. Taking intelligence to mean 'ability to deal with complexity,' and taking something complex like say, life on earth, people with higher IQs on average make more money, and live longer. Not to say the amount of money one makes is wholly indicative of successful living of course, but it can be used as a rough proxy since it is something many people seek to do in the complex environment that is Earth and the Universe.

Also, I think the ability to 'live sucessfully' and to find out what doing so entails is an ability spread evenly throughout the population.

[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_general_intelligence

[2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics) [3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient

[4]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_Science_on_Intellige...

Re:“Why you should not use Uber (the car ride brokering comp... by flycaliguy on Monday December 29, 2014 @11:50PM (#8813392)
I think there is knowledge to be created but the process of it's creation is not the exclusive domain of the brilliant or even the above average.
Re:“Why you should not use Uber (the car ride brokering comp... by gnaritas on Tuesday December 30, 2014 @08:33AM (#8814499)
Have you met the masses? Half the population has an IQ below 100, those are not and won't ever be knowledge workers; those are the people that machines will easily replace. They currently live off of either manual labor or service jobs, both of which are being decimated by machines and that trend will only continue.
Re:“Why you should not use Uber (the car ride brokering comp... by deeviant on Monday December 29, 2014 @08:28PM (#8812839)
I don't think we're pretty far off down the road from mass AI/Robotic created unemployment, but I do think it will happen.

Perhaps in 50 years, maybe 100, but I see the writing on the walls.

Humans seem almost universally have this hubris that says that machines will never be able to take their place, think as us, be as smart or creative as us. They almost certainly will, but it will take time, perhaps a long time. After all, biology and evolution has had(and used) billions of years to create the human brain, and we've only been building computer for less than a 100.