Re:EFF in Court to Argue NSA Collection from Internet Backbo...
by mikegioia on Thursday December 18, 2014 @11:26AM
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Wouldn't you need to take something first before copying it?
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Re:EFF in Court to Argue NSA Collection from Internet Backbo...
by fluidcruft on Thursday December 18, 2014 @12:00PM
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If by "take" you mean deny or restrict access and use by the "owner" then, no, of course not. You don't need exclusive access to copy something (or record information about it).
For example, taking a picture of the Washington Monument isn't remotely anything that comes to mind when I consider what "seizing the Washington Monument" would entail.
Re:EFF in Court to Argue NSA Collection from Internet Backbo...
by ethbro on Thursday December 18, 2014 @12:42PM
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Since the principles of photography post-dated the Constitution, I'd say it's a fair assumption that in its time the expectation was that exclusive access would be needed to (laboriously) copy something.
But it's kind of pedantic to argue over a single word.
The pertinent question is 'Do the views espoused by the Constitution as a whole (and subsequent case law) offer an opinion on the rightness of mass copying-without-exclusive access?'
Which is pretty thorny indeed. IANAL, but from what I've read it seems as though the Supreme Court is steadily trending more towards supporting an inherent right to privacy as a buttress against decisions that would otherwise feel wrong.
Re:EFF in Court to Argue NSA Collection from Internet Backbo...
by refurb on Thursday December 18, 2014 @03:01PM
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This is actually a great point. For all those folks who say violating copyright is not "stealing", I guess you could use the same argument that the gov't copying private records is not "seizing".
Re:EFF in Court to Argue NSA Collection from Internet Backbo...
by geekamongus on Thursday December 18, 2014 @11:57AM
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Not if I use a camera to take a picture of it, from which I can look at it to make a copy.