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Re:Reaction to the Sony Hack Is 'Beyond the Realm of Stupid' by rjvir on Thursday December 18, 2014 @12:13AM (#8766069)
It's not an empty threat. They completely compromised Sony's servers. Who knows what they haven't leaked yet, or what they are capable of.

The movie theaters decided to not show the movie because they couldn't implement a nationwide security system in every one of their theaters in 2 weeks. Since there is 0 security at movie theaters, I as a moviegoer would be extremely scared to go to watch this movie in it's opening week.

Re:Reaction to the Sony Hack Is 'Beyond the Realm of Stupid' by IvyMike on Thursday December 18, 2014 @02:07AM (#8766325)
> Since there is 0 security at movie theaters, I as a moviegoer would be extremely scared to go to watch this movie in it's opening week.

Think about what you are saying. "There is a group capable and willing to commit acts of terror on American soil... but now that Sony has not released the movie, I am perfectly safe".

Re:Reaction to the Sony Hack Is 'Beyond the Realm of Stupid' by michaelkeenan on Thursday December 18, 2014 @12:48AM (#8766152)
I tried to roughly estimate the risk.

There are 18,000 theaters that could be targets. Let's say there are 10 showings over the opening weekend that might be bombed, so if you attend, there's a 1 in 180,000 chance you'll be in the bombed theater (assuming there's only one bombing). Let's say there's a 5% chance it's a real threat (personally I'd estimate around 1%, but let's use 5% to be conservative). That gives a 1 in 3.6 million chance of being in the bombed theater.

Compare to car accidents. There are 1.27 fatalities per 100 million miles traveled in the USA. If the movie theater is five miles away, that gives you a 1 in 7.9 million chance of dying in a car accident on the way to or from the movie.

If we stop calculating there, it looks like you'd be roughly twice as likely to be in the bombed theater than to die in a car accident on the way to the theater. (Note that this is the chance of being in the bombed theater, not of dying in the bombing. Presumably, most people in the theater would survive.) To me, that seems like an acceptably negligible risk.

More detailed calculations could include the chance of dying conditional on being in the bombed theater, and could include the chance of more than one theater being bombed, and adjust for the chance of the bomber being foiled or the bomb not working, and could adjust for which theater you're seeing it in (theaters in major cities are more likely targets than small towns).

Re:Reaction to the Sony Hack Is 'Beyond the Realm of Stupid' by rjvir on Thursday December 18, 2014 @01:20AM (#8766225)
Fair enough. From the average moviegoers standpoint, it's probably not too risky to watch the movie on opening day.

That being said, I disagree with the 5% chance that the threat actually gets carried through. It is not overwhelmingly difficult to carry through this type of threat, since North Korea has a large budget and theaters don't have security.

And from Sony's perspective, it doesn't matter if 6 people dying in Tennessee (random example) is only a small percentage of their overall viewers - it's human lives on their hands in a scenario that could have been easily avoided.

Re:Reaction to the Sony Hack Is 'Beyond the Realm of Stupid' by paublyrne on Thursday December 18, 2014 @06:00AM (#8766791)
That 5% figure is arbitrary though. If the threat is a real one, and the intention is carry out a terrorist attack, you could assume that it will happen because the people behind it mean business. If it is bluff, then there is no risk at all.

Certainly I agree risks like this are not worth worrying about, life is full of risks.

Re:Reaction to the Sony Hack Is 'Beyond the Realm of Stupid' by anigbrowl on Thursday December 18, 2014 @01:00AM (#8766180)
Yawn...this sort of statistical analysis misses the point and demonstrates a rank ignorance of human psychology. Run the same statistical analysis on the possibility of getting killed at a school in Pakistan and then tell me how the Taliban killing ~130 children and some teachers is just a statistical outlier that people whouldn't pay any attention to.

I mention it because that incident wasn't expected either, but it's an excellent demonstration of how much havoc a few bad actors can wreak. given the huge number of movie theaters and the impossibility of predicting which ones might be targeted, nobody wants to be left holding the bag in the unlikely-but-nonetheless-possible scenario of a mini-massacre. On the scale of things you would be willing to assume risk for, a tasteless comedy ranks pretty low.

Re:Reaction to the Sony Hack Is 'Beyond the Realm of Stupid' by michaelkeenan on Thursday December 18, 2014 @01:22AM (#8766233)
> tell me how the Taliban killing ~130 children and some teachers is just a statistical outlier that people whouldn't pay any attention to.

My comment didn't mention people not paying attention to a bombing. My comment was about estimating the risk of dying in a bombing, not about people's reactions to it.

> Yawn...

There are more civil ways to express that.

Re:Reaction to the Sony Hack Is 'Beyond the Realm of Stupid' by anigbrowl on Thursday December 18, 2014 @01:37AM (#8766262)
Comments like this about the remoteness of the risk always carry the implicit argument that one should not pay attention to it because of the low probability. It's certainly irrational to think there's a high probability of it happening to you, but it's eminently rational for stakeholders like movie theater operators to minimize the risk - after all, to the extent that customers consider the showing of the picture to be a risk factor, they're going to stay away from the entire theater even if it is showing other pictures they might want to see.

There are more civil ways to express that.

There are more civil ways to discuss risk than making statistical straw man arguments too.

Re:Reaction to the Sony Hack Is 'Beyond the Realm of Stupid' by alexqgb on Thursday December 18, 2014 @02:00AM (#8766314)
Actually, he was replying to a comment that centered on the specific threat level that a particular individual thought he may be facing, so a calculation like this is exactly on point.
Re:Reaction to the Sony Hack Is 'Beyond the Realm of Stupid' by anigbrowl on Thursday December 18, 2014 @02:15AM (#8766339)
Well, that's true. All the same, I think it's a hopelessly facile analysis - the assumption that a bombing is the only possible risk scenario, for example - that's not really responsive to the underlying issue.
Re:Reaction to the Sony Hack Is 'Beyond the Realm of Stupid' by tdicola on Thursday December 18, 2014 @12:28AM (#8766104)
> I as a moviegoer would be extremely scared to go to watch this movie in it's opening week.

Sadly, that's exactly the fear the hackers want you to have. You have much higher odds being hurt or killed in a car accident on the drive to the theater than from some potential terrorist act.

Re:Reaction to the Sony Hack Is 'Beyond the Realm of Stupid' by skuhn on Thursday December 18, 2014 @12:58AM (#8766175)
I think the likelihood of a physical attack being carried out at these theaters is literally zero. It's one thing to compromise servers from anywhere in the world and it's quite another to build bombs and plant them in movie theaters. This is the ultimate goal of terrorism after all, not to kill people but to make people afraid to go about their normal lives.

Part of me wishes that the American public viewed this mess as a cause to be supported, to say criminals and/or a dictator from a third world country doesn't get to decide what harmless entertainment is suitable for us. I, for one, do not want to be threatened because I watched (or made) a movie.

Imagine if ticket sales had gone through the roof for this movie, the kind of statement that would make. And whether or not anyone actually watched it is beside the point.

Re:Reaction to the Sony Hack Is 'Beyond the Realm of Stupid' by lotsofmangos on Thursday December 18, 2014 @12:33AM (#8766118)
I as a moviegoer would be extremely scared to go to watch this movie in it's opening week.

You are in vastly more danger from other traffic on the drive to the cinema. Hell, you are more likely to die through home carpentry.

Re:Reaction to the Sony Hack Is 'Beyond the Realm of Stupid' by Squarel on Thursday December 18, 2014 @10:11AM (#8767535)
So anyone who is capable of compromising the servers of a corporation, or even a government agency is also capable of blowing up things?

Good to know.