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Re:Good News You May Have Missed in 2014 by refurb on Tuesday December 16, 2014 @12:25PM (#8758087)
An American insurer would rather put you on the older treatment and make your life so miserable that you switch to another insurance company at the next open enrollment. It makes no sense in the aggregate, but it makes sense for any one insurer.

The thing is, that's not happening at all. Nearly all US insurers are covering the new therapies. There are a couple that are holding out and only doing individual approvals.

You have to remember that private insurance competes on coverage, particularly for the insurance purchased by large employers.

Your comments about the NHS having a different viewpoint is correct. Since the NHS looks at total societal costs, they can reap the benefit of any immediate costs.

Re:Good News You May Have Missed in 2014 by tanzam75 on Tuesday December 16, 2014 @05:51PM (#8760094)
> The thing is, that's not happening at all. Nearly all US insurers are covering the new therapies. There are a couple that are holding out and only doing individual approvals.

So what are all the news articles about? A problem that is only hypothetical? The reporters don't seem to have a hard time finding cases of Hepatitis C patients who have been denied:

http://kaiserhealthnews.org/news/most-illinois-medicaid-pati...

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/10/28/359553282/insurer...

Then there's the fact that AbbVie and Merck are coming into the market soon with their own Hepatitis C drugs that also have 90% cure rates. It seems hard to believe that either of these companies will come in significantly below the price of Sovaldi, but that's what the insurance companies are hoping for.

Re:Good News You May Have Missed in 2014 by refurb on Tuesday December 16, 2014 @08:01PM (#8760534)
Your take is correct, there are some insurers playing hard ball and saying "no" to patients. A few state Medicaid plans are the best example.

I should have be clearer as I was referring to private insurers. Yes, a few of them (Express Scripts is one) are saying no, initially, but appeals are getting approved.

I actually work in the HCV field and saw some data the other day that showed the vast majority of plans are reimbursing for Sovaldi. It was pretty surprising to me.

And yes, we'll have to see what Abbvie and Merck do. Rumor is they won't be competing on price although the insurance companies are hoping they do.

Re:Good News You May Have Missed in 2014 by philwelch on Wednesday December 17, 2014 @04:27AM (#8761671)
> Then there's the fact that AbbVie and Merck are coming into the market soon with their own Hepatitis C drugs that also have 90% cure rates. It seems hard to believe that either of these companies will come in significantly below the price of Sovaldi, but that's what the insurance companies are hoping for.

Why? If you apply game theory, one of the three will try to defect and undercut the other two.

Re:Good News You May Have Missed in 2014 by tanzam75 on Thursday December 18, 2014 @01:23AM (#8766236)
> Why? If you apply game theory, one of the three will try to defect and undercut the other two.

Because they're playing a repeating game. AbbVie and Merck are big pharma companies. They don't particularly want to get into a price war.

It would be different if a small biotech firm were coming in. They might not get a second shot at it for a long time, so they are much more likely to undercut on price.

Also, three is a low number. Defection is more likely when the number of players goes up.

Of course, they're not going to come in dollar-for-dollar identical to the pricing of Sovaldi and Harvoni. However, the insurance companies seem to be hoping for some really sharp drops in price, which are less likely.