This is actually pretty uniquely American. In Australia, for example, the major universities are within the major cities, often downtown; there are hardly any "university towns." As such, there's no real need to move out of parents' home if they live in the city, parents generally are more adaptive and respect the autonomy of their now adult children even if they're still living upstairs. Obviously this dramatically lowers the costs of university. In addition, there's a higher concentration of jobs available to work while you study in major cities, instead of just hanging out in dorms or frat houses playing video games with all your free time like many American students do. Juggling these responsibilities while studying and being close to your family will make one "grow up" and develop a solid work ethic much quicker than the extended summer camp that often American universities become.
Sports are handled by amateur leagues abundant in the cities, not affiliated and part of universities. Not really the tribalism you see with big American schools amongst alumni either, not like what I grew up with in Texas, which is really off-putting and absurd.
Overall, I think both systems have their advantages and disadvantages, but I think the Australian way is just healthier for everyone.
We're arguing exactly the design that you seem to be espousing. Taking into account cost, immaturity due to biological constraints at age 18-22 and rampant party culture, college is a particularily bad place to "find yourself". Young adults should be exposed to a wide diversity in age and demographics, not locked into a small area with a largely homogeneous group of individuals to "grow up". All of this was touched upon in the article. In my opinion, the American "college experience" is in dire need of reconsideration.
Re:College for Grownups
by chaostheory on Friday December 12, 2014 @04:38PM
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> rampant party culture
This greatly depends on the particular university. I really doubt there's much of a party at places like Cal Poly, Georgia Tech, or MIT when you compare them to FSU or a place like the University of Arizona.
Re:College for Grownups
by majormajor on Friday December 12, 2014 @07:30PM
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Can't speak for Cal Poly, but there's a lot of binge drinking at the other two on the list for sure. The parties might just be a little less fun, but just as drunk...
Re:College for Grownups
by chaostheory on Monday December 15, 2014 @02:49AM
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The parties at GT and MIT are more like really tame happy hours that resemble office events rather than actual parties. They don't even come close to what you get at FSU and Arizona State which is almost 24/7
Re:College for Grownups
by eli_gottlieb on Friday December 12, 2014 @04:53PM
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Ah. Ha. Ha. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFbDZyHxL2g
Re:College for Grownups
by juliangregorian on Saturday December 13, 2014 @03:23AM
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That's what you chose to demonstrate that MIT is a party school?
Re:College for Grownups
by eli_gottlieb on Saturday December 13, 2014 @03:41AM
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Well there's that, and there's the fraternities. MIT, in my experience of having lived in Cambridge, is very much "work hard, play hard" for its undergrads.
Re:College for Grownups
by chaostheory on Monday December 15, 2014 @02:54AM
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Dude, GT also has a drinking song as it's official school song; yet there are no real parties on campus - you know regular events with tons and tons of debauchery. I think this is what you don't get if you've never experienced a real party school: there's mainly only playing hard and there's barely any work for a lot of your time there (or even all of it if you so choose). There are classes where all you have to do is show up and you'll pass...
Re:College for Grownups
by eli_gottlieb on Monday December 15, 2014 @03:35AM
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>I think this is what you don't get if you've never experienced a real party school: there's mainly only playing hard and there's barely any work for a lot of your time there (or even all of it if you so choose).
Funny thing: I did my undergrad at the famously party-focused UMass Amherst, and it wasn't like that at all.
Re:College for Grownups
by chaostheory on Tuesday December 16, 2014 @09:03PM
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I don't feel that party schools can exist in places that have a good amount of snow and ice but that's my opinion. It's also possible not to experience the pitfalls of a party school even if you attend one if you hang with the right crowd.
Re:College for Grownups
by chaostheory on Monday December 15, 2014 @03:16AM
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Unfortunately this just serves to further illustrate my point
Re:College for Grownups
by chaostheory on Friday December 12, 2014 @04:36PM
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I agree with exactly what you wrote. I also wanted to add that adults have many things that teens don't have yet such as money, reputation, and experience. Universities tend to bolster the last two.
It could be argued that you can "find yourself" without college, and while that's absolutely true I would say that it's hard to find a better institution to do so (other problems like rising tuition/loans notwithstanding).